On abortion, what I find objectionable (for me) is the percentage of women who have unplanned pregnancies, did so with the intention of 'trapping' a male in a relationship, by lying about or misusing birth control. It speaks to the women's insecurity and character do this. How large a problem this is, is something unknown by me. I haven't researched if it's 0.10% of or 20%? But I call it unethical. What about the male who promises commitment and abandons the female? Equally culpable.
-----Original Message----- From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Apr 11, 2014 12:32 pm Subject: Re: Climate models On 10 Apr 2014, at 20:45, [email protected] wrote: The Russians have continued space travel and so have the Chinese. The Progressive BHO administration is disinterested, by in large, with space stuff. This was way true when senators Proxmire, Mondale, and Ed Kennedy,voted to cut the old space shuttle funding in half, so we got what we got and it exploded twice. Nothing changes, it's always the grand over- confidence that is their earmark, of the progressives. Feminism I am ok with because equal pay for equal work. As an element of Marxism it sucks, but otherwise its good. Abortions are tricky for me, a subject. It's easy to make generalizations if we are not the pregnant ones. wink. I liken abortion with abuse of hard drugs. It is not nice, but if prohibited, it still happens, but much more often, and always in worst conditions. Better to limit them by education and information, and reduce the harm by health care, and avoid criminalization. Bruno Homosexuality isn't doomed, unless its the New Testament Jesus purging the sinners, and I don't know enough NT to know if this is what Revelations really says. Homosexuality seems to be a part of nature, and so on. Nationalism is ok, but people still have to work together to make success on many big troubles. On the other hand the idea that the UN should rule things is pathological, because it renders national power to the most corrupt, hateful, and murderous, people that now exist in the world today. Change? Well Stalin and Mao promised and delivered change, and so did Adolf. Change is not always a great, good, thing, especially when peddled by progressives as a sales pitch aka propaganda. It's a means of calling dictatorship, which is something quite bad, good. Cheers! - TOO BAD FOR SPACE TRAVEL, YOU KILLED IT YOU IDIOTS! (Elon Musk is either devil or saint... no compromises here!) - DAMNED FEMINISTS! WOMEN CAN DO NOTHING WITHOUT MEN! - STUPID ABORTIONS! - HOLY MATRIMONY, SO HOMOSEXUALITY IS DOOMED! - LET NATIONALISM RISE AGAIN AS OUR ONLY HOPE (as if it doesn't show its tedious, harmful face on a daily basis) - F*** (ANYBODY THAT IS FOR) CHANGE! Especially through space travel... ;-) Yes, it could be some twisted sense of humor. -----Original Message----- From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Apr 10, 2014 11:53 am Subject: Re: Climate models On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]> wrote: By the way, because it seems that you are interested, rejection of gays by men will never ever change. There are compelling evolitionary reasons. If any, the current promotion of "gay rights" will exacerbate true homophoby in the medium- long term. In the same way that feminism is increasing the violence against women. Alberto loves giving everybody here psychology lessons that are funny. But what is the psychological profile of somebody who reads some climate banter/debate and goes: - TOO BAD FOR SPACE TRAVEL, YOU KILLED IT YOU IDIOTS! (Elon Musk is either devil or saint... no compromises here!) - DAMNED FEMINISTS! WOMEN CAN DO NOTHING WITHOUT MEN! - STUPID ABORTIONS! - HOLY MATRIMONY, SO HOMOSEXUALITY IS DOOMED! - LET NATIONALISM RISE AGAIN AS OUR ONLY HOPE (as if it doesn't show its tedious, harmful face on a daily basis) - F*** (ANYBODY THAT IS FOR) CHANGE! Especially through space travel... ;-) Yes, it could be some twisted sense of humor. The space travel contradiction is funnily stupid, yes, but istm Al's comedic writing needs some practice, more punchlines, and technique. Same for Steven's philosophy these days. Whatever guys, this is no discussion, not effective or even entertaining provocation, just transparent dullness. PGC 2014-04-10 16:59 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]>: sex orientation can not be changed, neither a matrimony can be other than a man and a woman, neither climate can be changed by little ants like us, neither internationalism can be a genuine feeling, neither supranational identities can be fabricated, neither woman can live without depending on ideas and societies essentially made by men. Neither abortion can be promoted without immense pain in women for the assassination of his child. But that does not mean that a bunch of autonsanctified international delinquents can not make a living from idiots that believe in the idea that "things are gonna change" "another world is possible" and "a catastrophe is coming and we will not survive if the world do not do X" where X is invariably something very painful that demand a lot of concentrated power in a central elite. In the same way that 80 years of mass killings demonstrated that an economy can not be centrally planified, we are gonna suffer another cycle of wrong ideas thanks to the new generation of idiots and their shepherds 2014-04-10 12:51 GMT+02:00 Telmo Menezes <[email protected]>: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Stephen Paul King <[email protected]> wrote: Read Corona's post carefully. I did, and I find his general ideas interesting and worth considering. I don't quire agree that space exploration cannot compete with religion. When I was growing up, I was forced to go to catholic sunday school, and at the same time I was obsessed with space exploration. The former just bore me to tears, while the second gave me feelings of human transcendence. This video still works better for me than all of the religious attempts at showing the divine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnoNITE-CLc It is sad that we are currently regressing in many ways. We lost the ability to do what that video shows, when we should be doing even more amazing things, and eventually starting colonising other worlds. We are also regressing in social ways, with the return of police states in the west and so on. I don't think that's a coincidence. I hope it's a bump in the road. On the other hand, we expanded inwards with the Internet. I believe we still just saw the beginning of the transformative power of the Internet and the things it will enable. The ones in power sense this too, and they are fighting it. At the moment we seem to be heading in the direction of some cyberpunk dystopia. But back to the gay issue. If the assumption is that "gay promotion" is part of a strategy to reduce the population, then that's just silly. If anything, allowing gays to marry and be parents and adopt is only increasing the carrying capacity of our environment. Telmo. On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:47 AM, Stephen Paul King <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Telmo, It isn't moralism if it has a measure that can be objectively defined. Hi Stephan, Could you tell me what measure you are referring to? On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]> wrote: On 7 April 2014 15:47, Stephen Paul King <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Liz, Why is there no interest in developing tech to get us off the planet? Why is there a retreat into a bunker mentality? The reason why the UN promotes Global Warming+ abortion+ feminism+ Gay promotion instead of international collaboration for space exploration and expansion has some reasons: Come on man, you say interesting things but then you get stuck in weird religious moralism. What does "gay promotion" even mean? People can't change their sexual orientation. It's not like you can make some ads or have celebrity endorsements and the kids will be all "ohh cool, I'm going to be gay!". I think what's happening here is that we are finally getting rid of gay repression. There's not going to be a different percentage of gay people one way or the other, just less people leading miserable lives for no good reason. first: any menace related with resources and population is easier to sell I will not name Hitler, but they are instinctive concerns since we were stone age hunter gatherers. The hunter gatherers were after wild animals and wild plants. They did not produced animals and plants as we produce now. So their primitive mind of "limited resources" is in the modern man, despite our hability to reproduce and substitute resources with our knowledge. 30.000 years ago, my province was inhabited with 3000 people that depleted complely the resources and had to move to another place every year. Now we are 3.000.000 in the same area, mostly unhabited still. An yet we live better, there are probably more wild animals and more forest. But still there are stone-age minded people that ate human beings and "want to save the planet". second: space exploration can not qualify for a religion, at least, not as a totalitarian religion. The Cult to the earth and human sacrifices will ever qualify since it is the most primitive religion. Leaders want commited people and this inevitably demand sacrifices, due to the nature of beings with incomplete information. 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