On Friday, April 18, 2014 10:38:34 PM UTC+1, [email protected] wrote: > > > On Friday, April 18, 2014 5:15:24 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 18 Apr 2014, at 11:02, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, 18 April 2014, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 18 Apr 2014, at 08:41, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Friday, April 18, 2014 7:28:26 AM UTC+1, [email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Friday, April 18, 2014 7:28:02 AM UTC+1, [email protected] wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, April 17, 2014 8:03:09 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> A good sum up of the how and why cannabis might cure cancers. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can understand the mechanism and the probabilities. It is a >>>>>> pretty >>>>>> good movie. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bMt83_IWkE >>>>>> >>>>>> We knew this since 1974. Promising research on cancer treatment were >>>>>> >>>>>> purposefully broke down. >>>>>> >>>>>> How could we hope rational decisions with respect to climate when we >>>>>> >>>>>> tolerate brainwashing, even a sort of revisionism, on cannabis/hemp, >>>>>> >>>>>> and cancers? >>>>>> >>>>>> The problem is not stupid politicians, it is clever bandits. >>>>>> >>>>>> The prohibition of cannabis deserves truly the Nobel Prize, in Crime. >>>>>> >>>>>> But it might also be their fatal error, I think. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the world will get closer to paradise when the humans will >>>>>> stop confuse p -> q with q -> p. That confusion is exploited by the >>>>>> fear sellers (pseudo-religious or not). >>>>>> >>>>>> Bruno >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It's a load of rubbish Bruno. Cannabis ha >>>>> >>>> >>>> sorry...it >>>> >>> >>> sorry again. It's a load of old cobblers because cannabis has been >>> available to researchers throughout. >>> >>> >>> When I read Jack Herer a long time ago, I leave the book away when I >>> came to the chapter where he claimed that cannabis cures might cancer (and >>> did cure some cancer for mice in 1974). I thought the hippies was going >>> crackpot on this. That was to gross. >>> But when in 2009 a spanish team rediscovered that fact(*), I have >>> scrutinized both the allegation of cure, and the allegation that rserach on >>> cannabis was discouraged. That second point is rather clear in the US where >>> cannabis is schedule one, making research quite difficult from the >>> administrative perspective (virtually impossible in most universities). The >>> first point is now accepted in the mainstream, but the media and the >>> doctors ignore it, probably because cannabis is illegal. >>> You might read: >>> >>> (*) http://www.jci.org/articles/view/37948 (original spanish paper) >>> >>> http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v01/n572/a11.html >>> >>> You can find many papers on cannabis and cancer here: >>> >>> http://www.safeaccess.ca/research/cancer.htm >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Why would anyone want to obstruct a cure for cancer? No one would care >>> what it was. olu >>> >>> >>> Those who profits from selling expensive treatment for cancer. Those >>> many who want hemp staying illegal. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> But it isn't a cure for cancer. Nothing is a cure for cancer in this >>> way. Cancer survival rates are up on 30 years ago. Controlling for earlier >>> intervention do you know how much lung cancer survival rates have changed ? >>> They haven't. Nothing has changed. catch it early and you've got a chance. >>> Leave it just a few more weeks and now that cancer is evolving. It's made >>> up of more and more descendent cell lines...each one mutating, now >>> different ancestries are fighting and destroying,. Now a week later there >>> are millions more., You might kill one line but the next one is immune >>> because now it's multiple mutations later and it's totally different and >>> the colour is maybe green. In the firs or few weeks it's just a few >>> descrendent lines..they are young, they aren't mutating like crazy yet. >>> >>> Nothing is going to cure cancer. Not in this scientific revolution. >>> They'll fix maybe the cancerous non-encoding dna. But that'll be a >>> symptom...cancerous cells are multiply disfigured...and more keep showing >>> up. >>> >>> Smoke dope fuck the pope but it'll give you cancer before it cures >>> anything. >>> >>> >>> Those who have tried to prove this are those who discovered the >>> benefices instead. I let you search on the links above. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> thi >>> By the way I know at least 2 people that got institutionalised with >>> schizophrenia as a direct outcome of dependent pot smoking. That's the only >>> thing either of them ever did anyway >>> >>> >>> 2 people is not a statistics, and when the statistics are done properly, >>> it seems only that people with schizophrenia, or potential schizophrenia, >>> tend to medicate themselves with cannabis, explaining some previous >>> correlations. If you have a reference on cannabis leading to schizophrenia, >>> containing serious statistics, I would be interested to know. I did not >>> find any. >>> >> >> There is some debate as to whether cannabis causes schizophrenia, but >> there isn't much doubt that it can cause drug-induced psychosis (ie. which >> resolves when the drug is withdrawn) >> >> >> >> OK. >> We call that "the experience". >> You learn how much your brain can trick you, and it asks for a good >> user-manual, some ritual, like Kim said, and a notion that it is not a >> banal thing to explore yourself in that way. Cannabis amplifies paranoïa >> feeling. People have to be informed on that, of course. >> >> >> >> and that it can exacerbate or precipitate psychosis in patients who >> already have schizophrenia. >> >> >> I agree. I might think that this is a good thing, as it will point on the >> problem and help to manage a treatment. In some case cannabis can be enough >> as a treatment; in other case cannabis would be not indicated and should be >> avoided. >> >> Personally, I don't think that cannabis, nor tobacco, should be allowed, >> without medical prescription, to minors. But to make it illegal to sell it >> to a minor, you have to legalize it. >> >> For adult, I do think that recreational cannabis is *far* safer than >> alcohol, on many level (from the liver to the social problem or the car >> crash). >> >> Bruno >> > > and here's another report that the first one linked to Bruno. In this > more serious abniormalities are found in heavy users over 3 years or more., > The collapsed structures, possibly reflecting neuron depletion - in > individuaols exhibitiung serious short term memory deficiencies - are > similar to deformities found in schizophrenia sufferers. > > > I do get it there are positive effects too. But it surely can't be > reasonable to ignore this sort of hard evidence. It isn't conclusive I > shouldn't think but it's significant and important evidence. > p.s. we're now talking about multiyear studies. The abnormalies being identified, weren't there 3 years ago, so it's reasonable to drop the argument about predisposition, as a full explanation.
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