> On 19 Apr 2014, at 2:15 am, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > > >> On 18 Apr 2014, at 11:02, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Friday, 18 April 2014, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: >>> >>>> On 18 Apr 2014, at 08:41, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Friday, April 18, 2014 7:28:26 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, April 18, 2014 7:28:02 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, April 17, 2014 8:03:09 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A good sum up of the how and why cannabis might cure cancers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can understand the mechanism and the probabilities. It is a pretty >>>>>>> >>>>>>> good movie. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bMt83_IWkE >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We knew this since 1974. Promising research on cancer treatment were >>>>>>> purposefully broke down. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How could we hope rational decisions with respect to climate when we >>>>>>> tolerate brainwashing, even a sort of revisionism, on cannabis/hemp, >>>>>>> and cancers? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The problem is not stupid politicians, it is clever bandits. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The prohibition of cannabis deserves truly the Nobel Prize, in Crime. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But it might also be their fatal error, I think. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think the world will get closer to paradise when the humans will >>>>>>> stop confuse p -> q with q -> p. That confusion is exploited by the >>>>>>> fear sellers (pseudo-religious or not). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bruno >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >>>>>> >>>>>> It's a load of rubbish Bruno. Cannabis ha >>>>> >>>>> sorry...it >>>> >>>> sorry again. It's a load of old cobblers because cannabis has been >>>> available to researchers throughout. >>> >>> When I read Jack Herer a long time ago, I leave the book away when I came >>> to the chapter where he claimed that cannabis cures might cancer (and did >>> cure some cancer for mice in 1974). I thought the hippies was going >>> crackpot on this. That was to gross. >>> But when in 2009 a spanish team rediscovered that fact(*), I have >>> scrutinized both the allegation of cure, and the allegation that rserach on >>> cannabis was discouraged. That second point is rather clear in the US where >>> cannabis is schedule one, making research quite difficult from the >>> administrative perspective (virtually impossible in most universities). The >>> first point is now accepted in the mainstream, but the media and the >>> doctors ignore it, probably because cannabis is illegal. >>> You might read: >>> >>> (*) http://www.jci.org/articles/view/37948 (original spanish paper) >>> >>> http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v01/n572/a11.html >>> >>> You can find many papers on cannabis and cancer here: >>> >>> http://www.safeaccess.ca/research/cancer.htm >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Why would anyone want to obstruct a cure for cancer? No one would care >>>> what it was. olu >>> >>> Those who profits from selling expensive treatment for cancer. Those many >>> who want hemp staying illegal. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> But it isn't a cure for cancer. Nothing is a cure for cancer in this way. >>>> Cancer survival rates are up on 30 years ago. Controlling for earlier >>>> intervention do you know how much lung cancer survival rates have changed >>>> ? They haven't. Nothing has changed. catch it early and you've got a >>>> chance. Leave it just a few more weeks and now that cancer is evolving. >>>> It's made up of more and more descendent cell lines...each one mutating, >>>> now different ancestries are fighting and destroying,. Now a week later >>>> there are millions more., You might kill one line but the next one is >>>> immune because now it's multiple mutations later and it's totally >>>> different and the colour is maybe green. In the firs or few weeks it's >>>> just a few descrendent lines..they are young, they aren't mutating like >>>> crazy yet. >>>> >>>> Nothing is going to cure cancer. Not in this scientific revolution. >>>> They'll fix maybe the cancerous non-encoding dna. But that'll be a >>>> symptom...cancerous cells are multiply disfigured...and more keep showing >>>> up. >>>> >>>> Smoke dope fuck the pope but it'll give you cancer before it cures >>>> anything. >>> >>> Those who have tried to prove this are those who discovered the benefices >>> instead. I let you search on the links above. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> thi >>>> By the way I know at least 2 people that got institutionalised with >>>> schizophrenia as a direct outcome of dependent pot smoking. That's the >>>> only thing either of them ever did anyway >>> >>> 2 people is not a statistics, and when the statistics are done properly, it >>> seems only that people with schizophrenia, or potential schizophrenia, >>> tend to medicate themselves with cannabis, explaining some previous >>> correlations. If you have a reference on cannabis leading to schizophrenia, >>> containing serious statistics, I would be interested to know. I did not >>> find any. >> >> There is some debate as to whether cannabis causes schizophrenia, but there >> isn't much doubt that it can cause drug-induced psychosis (ie. which >> resolves when the drug is withdrawn) > > > OK. > We call that "the experience". > You learn how much your brain can trick you, and it asks for a good > user-manual, some ritual, like Kim said, and a notion that it is not a banal > thing to explore yourself in that way. Cannabis amplifies paranoïa feeling. > People have to be informed on that, of course. > > > >> and that it can exacerbate or precipitate psychosis in patients who already >> have schizophrenia. > > I agree. I might think that this is a good thing, as it will point on the > problem and help to manage a treatment. In some case cannabis can be enough > as a treatment; in other case cannabis would be not indicated and should be > avoided. > > Personally, I don't think that cannabis, nor tobacco, should be allowed, > without medical prescription, to minors. But to make it illegal to sell it to > a minor, you have to legalize it. > > For adult, I do think that recreational cannabis is *far* safer than alcohol, > on many level (from the liver to the social problem or the car crash). > > Bruno >
Cannabis makes the user more sensitive to inputs of all kinds. It kind of invokes an enormous range of qualia which can be disturbing to some subjects. When stoned, you have intense reactions to whatever you are presented with. The well-known feeling of paranoia that often accompanies this is IMO the brain's natural panic reaction to having so many parallel streams of qualia maxed-out at the same time. This is normal under the circumstances and why I insist that cannabis use must be ritualised. Consider what a ritual is: a series of actions performed in a special space at a special time with like-minded participants all of whom understand the process involved. You undergo the experience in a protected space. To become stoned amongst people who are not is a very dangerous thing to do because the others will almost certainly make an uninformed judgement about your behaviour. The euphoric mind senses this, even though in an altered state of consciousness, and paranoia is the result, because the mind feels helpless when faced with the threat of outsiders who may be negative toward the altered state you are in. Therefore, cannabis use is best confined to the "indoors" sensory experiences that you can either do alone or with a few trusted friends. Reading, writing, cooking, eating, listening to or creating/performing music, painting, sculpting - anything creative that does not involve much movement through space are all suitable activities. The king-daddy experience of them all is, of course, sex. Unsuitable experiences would be driving a car, ascending in a hot- air balloon etc. this last was the fate of a group last year in New Zealand (Liz may recall this) where the entire group got stoned whilst aloft. When something went wrong with the mechanism of the helium delivery to the burner, nobody was in a baseline state of consciousness able to perform the necessary actions to save the situation and the result was that all perished in a fireball. This is the antithesis of ritualised action performed in a protected space. I love cannabis myself, but I am the first to proclaim that a stoned driver is quite as dangerous as a drunk driver. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
