If one places Cannabis' danger into perspective of danger of other poisons, you can however point to relative safety and potential efficacy as medication for a variety of ailments. See Prof. David Nutts research that was brought up on this list in the past. And yet nobody states seriously that any poison is harmless; we just seem to live in a world that can't do without them on a variety of levels at this time. From fossil fuels to heroin. PGC
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < [email protected]> wrote: > The "causes schizophrenia" is correlation based conjecture. Not strongly > convincing, because I bet all the subjects consumed sugar and were involved > in variety of other behaviors and consumptions. People don't live in test > tube and the results of questionnaires and tests of this sort should be > taken with a large grain of salt. It's just easy science to make money with > and get funds for, from appropriate interests. To be able to single out > that it was the Cannabis in all these people's lives as exclusive cause, > and not merely trigger of latent tendency, is too strong. You can say "we > suppose, correlation, because reason x, sample size y". A lot of things can > precipitate psychosis in patients that already have some predisposition. > > We're talking poison, so ghibbsa, you're barking up the wrong tree if > you're claiming that some people claim it "innocent". But you're right: > it's more the world that people live in than the poison itself. If your > perspective is a dead end job of being mechanically exploited and underpaid > below ability to survive and make a living, and no exit is palpable, then > you have increased poison use; without that, I think we'd see more > breakdowns, psychosis, and crimes happening. It is asking too much to > expect that segment of society to function "properly" while being shafted. > PGC > > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 11:17 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On Friday, April 18, 2014 8:52:50 AM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> >>> On 18 Apr 2014, at 08:41, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Friday, April 18, 2014 7:28:26 AM UTC+1, [email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Friday, April 18, 2014 7:28:02 AM UTC+1, [email protected] wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, April 17, 2014 8:03:09 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> A good sum up of the how and why cannabis might cure cancers. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can understand the mechanism and the probabilities. It is a >>>>>> pretty >>>>>> good movie. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bMt83_IWkE >>>>>> >>>>>> We knew this since 1974. Promising research on cancer treatment were >>>>>> >>>>>> purposefully broke down. >>>>>> >>>>>> How could we hope rational decisions with respect to climate when we >>>>>> >>>>>> tolerate brainwashing, even a sort of revisionism, on cannabis/hemp, >>>>>> >>>>>> and cancers? >>>>>> >>>>>> The problem is not stupid politicians, it is clever bandits. >>>>>> >>>>>> The prohibition of cannabis deserves truly the Nobel Prize, in Crime. >>>>>> >>>>>> But it might also be their fatal error, I think. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the world will get closer to paradise when the humans will >>>>>> stop confuse p -> q with q -> p. That confusion is exploited by the >>>>>> fear sellers (pseudo-religious or not). >>>>>> >>>>>> Bruno >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It's a load of rubbish Bruno. Cannabis ha >>>>> >>>> >>>> sorry...it >>>> >>> >>> sorry again. It's a load of old cobblers because cannabis has been >>> available to researchers throughout. >>> >>> >>> When I read Jack Herer a long time ago, I leave the book away when I >>> came to the chapter where he claimed that cannabis cures might cancer (and >>> did cure some cancer for mice in 1974). I thought the hippies was going >>> crackpot on this. That was to gross. >>> But when in 2009 a spanish team rediscovered that fact(*), I have >>> scrutinized both the allegation of cure, and the allegation that rserach on >>> cannabis was discouraged. That second point is rather clear in the US where >>> cannabis is schedule one, making research quite difficult from the >>> administrative perspective (virtually impossible in most universities). The >>> first point is now accepted in the mainstream, but the media and the >>> doctors ignore it, probably because cannabis is illegal. >>> You might read: >>> >>> (*) http://www.jci.org/articles/view/37948 (original spanish paper) >>> >>> http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v01/n572/a11.html >>> >>> You can find many papers on cannabis and cancer here: >>> >>> http://www.safeaccess.ca/research/cancer.htm >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Why would anyone want to obstruct a cure for cancer? No one would care >>> what it was. olu >>> >>> >>> Those who profits from selling expensive treatment for cancer. Those >>> many who want hemp staying illegal. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> But it isn't a cure for cancer. Nothing is a cure for cancer in this >>> way. Cancer survival rates are up on 30 years ago. Controlling for earlier >>> intervention do you know how much lung cancer survival rates have changed ? >>> They haven't. Nothing has changed. catch it early and you've got a chance. >>> Leave it just a few more weeks and now that cancer is evolving. It's made >>> up of more and more descendent cell lines...each one mutating, now >>> different ancestries are fighting and destroying,. Now a week later there >>> are millions more., You might kill one line but the next one is immune >>> because now it's multiple mutations later and it's totally different and >>> the colour is maybe green. In the firs or few weeks it's just a few >>> descrendent lines..they are young, they aren't mutating like crazy yet. >>> >>> Nothing is going to cure cancer. Not in this scientific revolution. >>> They'll fix maybe the cancerous non-encoding dna. But that'll be a >>> symptom...cancerous cells are multiply disfigured...and more keep showing >>> up. >>> >>> Smoke dope fuck the pope but it'll give you cancer before it cures >>> anything. >>> >>> >>> Those who have tried to prove this are those who discovered the >>> benefices instead. I let you search on the links above. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> thi >>> By the way I know at least 2 people that got institutionalised with >>> schizophrenia as a direct outcome of dependent pot smoking. That's the only >>> thing either of them ever did anyway >>> >>> >>> 2 people is not a statistics, and when the statistics are done properly, >>> it seems only that people with schizophrenia, or potential schizophrenia, >>> tend to medicate themselves with cannabis, explaining some previous >>> correlations. If you have a reference on cannabis leading to schizophrenia, >>> containing serious statistics, I would be interested to know. I did not >>> find any. >>> >>> Bruno >>> >> >> Two friends seems like a lot to me...I didn't know that many people. It >> isn't a reason to go one way or the other, on its own. It's not a very >> innocent substance seen through my experiences. A lot of people - maybe the >> majority even - had really dependent behaviour around it...stayed that way >> for years. I hated it...it made me really paranoid.....I'd sometimes be >> sitting there frozen just waiting to come back down. Not that many people >> such an intense effect. But I think that things look different viewed >> through what things were like for kids in the underclass and children's >> homes. There wasn't necessarily going to be one chance to escape. Life >> wasn't something that anyone was enjoying very much...drugs could a lot of >> that away, could feel really nice. Kids in that world caved in to drugs >> eventually and they wouldn't want to come back, and usually didn't. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
