On 10 May 2014, at 16:22, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 1:48 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://arxiv.org/pdf/1405.0126v1.pdf
> I don't buy it. For one thing memory IS lossy and it's largely
reconstruction.
I don't buy it either but I think you could tell that the article
was almost certainly worthless from the title alone because it is
asking the wrong question. There is a vastly better question, Is
Intelligence Computable? After the discovery of the Turing Machine
in 1936 we had excellent reasons to suppose that the answer is yes,
and subsequent inventions of programs like Watson only increases our
confidence in this conclusion.
OK, although I am not sure a question can be wrong. Then with comp,
you don't even need to use the notion of consciousness to understand
that the relation between first person reports and third person
reports are not that easy to related.
Consciousness is a vastly simpler phenomenon than intelligence and
that's why all encompassing consciousness theories that explain
exactly how it all works are astronomically easier to find on the
internet than all encompassing intelligence theories;
I am not sure on that. The whole AI tries theory of intelligence and
intelligence grow.
The problem here is that those word are ambiguous. Like the UDA shows,
consciousness, or even more generally the first person notion, are not
easy to associate with third person description. Indeed eventually the
oldest theory (Theaetetus) shows, in the comp frame, that this is
impossible for a machine, which will tend to ascribe wrongly his
consciousness to its body.
intelligence theories are just too hard to devise and too easy to
prove wrong, consciousness theories require almost no brainpower to
dream up and are impossible to prove wrong.
That is not correct. Comp *is* a theory of consciousness (and
intelligence too), and is falsifiable, because it says something about
the possible/necessary physical reality.
So the answer to the original question is, if Darwin was correct
then consciousness must be computable because the one rock solid
fact I know with absolute certainty about consciousness is that
Evolution produced it at least once (and probably many billions of
times)
Evolution did not produce consciousness, nor intelligence, no more
than prime number and computations. All that exist in arithmetic.
Evolution produced brain, which filter adequately consciousness, and
makes possible for person to manifest themselves relatively to each
other.
despite the fact that Evolution can't see consciousness. But
Evolution can see intelligence.
Then comp ascribes a role to consciousness, which is a speed-up factor.
Consciousness is a logical descendant of consistency and knowledge. It
is the part which "knows" that there is at least some reality + the
part which bet that such reality is this or that. This can be modeled
by the fact that a machine can guess a non provable truth about itself
(like consistency) and add a new axiom/belief to that effect. This can
be shown to accelerate computability and inductive inference. It
enhances intelligence/competence. Consciousness is what makes possible
the self-moving entities, as they need to anticipate the local future
of their probable environment very efficiently.
Bruno
John K Clark
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