On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Terren Suydam <[email protected]>wrote:
> Agree. Very odd to make the statement "Since lossy integration would > necessitate continuous damage to existing memories" appear to be so > controversial that it necessitates the move to a theory of lossless > integration. What could be more "natural" than memories that degrade? I > suppose there are folks with photographic memories who may seem to approach > "lossless integration" but the rest of us are still conscious :-) I have > my doubts about photographic memory anyway. > > More likely that they had a result starting from the premise of lossless > integration they wanted to publish, and made that move to inflate the > relevance of their result. > That's what I thought too. I totally agree with Brent and you. Telmo. > > Terren > > > On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 1:50 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Oops. I forgot to include the link: >> http://arxiv.org/pdf/1405.0126v1.pdf >> >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> >> I don't buy it. For one thing memory IS lossy and it's largely >> reconstruction. I think their argument only shows that cognition is >> irreversible in a stat-mech sense. The implication for saying 'yes' or >> 'no' to the doctor would be that substituting for a small part of your >> brain might scramble your memories/peronality - but it would still be in >> principle possible to replace your whole brain by a equivalent Turing >> machine. But I question even that step. I think one's consciousness is >> embedded and to some degree 'integrated' into the world; it's this >> integration and reference to the world that provides 'meaning'. >> >> Brent >> >> Is Consciousness Computable? Quantifying Integrated Information Using >> Algorithmic Information Theory >> Phil Maguire, Philippe Moser, Rebecca Maguire, Virgil Griffith >> (Submitted on 1 May 2014) >> >> In this article we review Tononi's (2008) theory of consciousness as >> integrated information. We argue that previous formalizations of integrated >> information (e.g. Griffith, 2014) depend on information loss. Since lossy >> integration would necessitate continuous damage to existing memories, we >> propose it is more natural to frame consciousness as a lossless integrative >> process and provide a formalization of this idea using algorithmic >> information theory. We prove that complete lossless integration requires >> noncomputable functions. This result implies that if unitary consciousness >> exists, it cannot be modelled computationally. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
