On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 5:18 PM, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 4:24 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>  >> I think you could tell that the article was almost certainly
>> worthless from the title alone because it is asking the wrong question.
>> There is a vastly better question, *Is Intelligence Computable?*
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>> > OK, although I am not sure a question can be wrong.
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> In general a question is wrong if contemplating the answer produces
> nothing of value, and navel gazing about consciousness produces nothing but
> more navel gazing. Examining the nature of intelligence is a very different
> matter, it has produced philosophical incites and trillion dollar
> industries.  Examining the nature of consciousness just produces bad books
> and even worse internet posts.
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Really? Then the guy who wrote the following is at best capable of
producing bad books and even worse internet posts:


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> If true and consciousness effects behavior then that explains why
> Evolution bothered to create it. It would also mean that it would be EASIER
> to make a conscious AI than a non-conscious AI; so just like human beings
> if a machine is smart it's probably conscious too.
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>   John K Clark
>

Hmm, I suppose it's true in this case, so good point, John. I can agree
here.

As for AI, it's not like your little cartoons (re-posting the same cartoon
over and over will eventually seem like some compulsive reaction devoid of
your notion of intelligence btw) of human x does not believe y, and
therefore their noble search for intelligence places them in some
privileged position to find "Intelligence"; that's just wishful thinking.
It's simpler given our ignorance in these matters: sometimes people touched
by the relevant domains get lucky. And not because they play for your
belief team, or similar notions you seem to harbor. PGC


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