On 15 May 2014, at 21:05, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/15/2014 11:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 15 May 2014, at 08:30, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 15 May 2014 16:24, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/14/2014 9:51 PM, Dennis Ochei wrote:
But then the identity relationship is no longer transitive...
Suppose a brave officer to have been flogged when a boy at
school, for robbing an orchard, to have taken a standard from the
enemy in his first campaign, and to have been made a general in
advanced life: Suppose also, which must be admitted to be
possible, that when he took the standard, he was conscious of his
having been flogged at school, and that when made a general he
was conscious of his taking the standard, but had absolutely lost
the consciousness of his flogging.
These things being supposed, it follows, from Mr LOCKE'S
doctrine, that he who was flogged at school is the same person
who took the standard, and that he who took the standard is the
same person who was made a general. Whence it follows, if there
be any truth in logic, that the general is the same person with
him who was flogged at school. But the general's consciousness
does not reach so far back as his flogging, therefore, according
to Mr LOCKE'S doctrine, he is not the person who was flogged.
There- fore the general is, and at the same time is not the same
person with him who was flogged at a school.
Hence the common sense theory that person's are defined by bodily
continuity.
It's only a common sense notion because we can't go around
duplicating ourselves, meeting our duplicates, rewriting our
memories and so on.
What we do since we are amoebas. And before.
Amoebas divide - which is not the same as duplicate in the sense of
the Helsinki man.
Well amoeba are their own brain, and the duplication conserves the
connections. They are the same at the molecular in their asexual
division. They do change when sexual-like transactions occur, but we
can argue the difference is very small in most case. I was just
illustrating that biological evolution seems to have already bet (not
necessarily consciously) on self-duplication. In particular is you
agree that the M-man and M-man are the same as the H-guys, then the
two amoebas are duplicate in the sense of the multiple instantiation
of the Helsinki man.
Bruno
Brent
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