On 6/9/2014 1:35 AM, LizR wrote:
On 9 June 2014 18:24, meekerdb <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 6/8/2014 4:03 PM, LizR wrote:
David Nyman gave a much more rigorous definition of primitive materialism in
another thread (he calls it "primordial").
ISTM that what is supposed to be "primordial" about a specific set of
entities
and their relations is precisely that they *exclusively* underlie (or
more
correctly, comprise) everything that is "really real". So the
hierarchical
structure of everything we observe thereafter - be it physical,
chemical,
biological, physiological, etc. - would be deemed to be underpinned,
exclusively and exhaustively, by such a primordial substratum.
That's a definition of ur-stuff, but it doesn't say anything about
"material". I
agree with Bruno that saying the most basic ontology is "matter" is
meaningless
because "matter" isn't well defined. Physicists have regarded it as
substances,
particle, fields, quantum fields, strings,... If it's computation or
arithmetic
those are just the basic ontologies of different theories. What's really of
interest is whether the theory can describe and predict what happens at
level of
kicking things and have them kick back.
OK, so please provide a definition of primitive materialism.
Hmmm? I write that "matter" isn't well defined and so you ask that I define "primitive
materialism"?
I guess I could venture that it's the ontology of any TOE in which interactions
are all 3p.
Brent
Why doesn't the proton like the electron?
"He's always so negative!"
-- my son (15)
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