On 6/9/2014 7:49 PM, LizR wrote:
On 10 June 2014 14:16, meekerdb <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 6/9/2014 5:55 PM, LizR wrote:
On 10 June 2014 10:13, meekerdb <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 6/9/2014 2:46 PM, LizR wrote:
I guess I could venture that it's the ontology of any TOE in which
interactions are all 3p.
OK, thanks. So I would guess that it's equivalent to eliminativism, as
I think
it's called - the idea that consciousness is an illusion ("albeit a
persistent
one"). It does seem that way to me.
I don't think it implies eliminativism. There's still temperature even
though
we have statistical mechanics. I think there's far too much importance
given
to "what's fundamental" and it leads to calling everything else and illusion.
I doubt that Bruno thinks arithmetic is an illusion just because what's
fundamental is 0, S, +, and *. A correction to this kind of obsession
with
essence is why I like my virtuous circle of explanation.
So how can all interactions be 3p? Maybe I misunderstood. It seems to me
that
consciousness implies there's 1p stuff going on?
I might be possible to know exactly what conscious thoughts are occurring by
monitoring 3p accessible information (this is implicit in the idea that the
brain is
a classical information processor and its action instantiates
consciousness), in
which case it could be explained in 3p terms; but that doesn't mean the 1p
stuff
would suddenly cease to be any more that stat mech means that temperature
ceases to
exist.
I still don't understand what you mean by "all interactions are 3p". "All 3p" seems by
definition to exclude any 1p stuff .
Are you saying that there /are/ 1p experiences, but they're just "along for the ride"
and have no interaction with the rest of the world? (But surely 1p interacts with the
outside world, even if only passively?)
They're "along for the ride" like temperature is alftr on the kinetic energy of
molecules. Before stat mech, heat was regarded as an immaterial substance. It was
explained by the motion of molecules; something that is 3p observable but the explanation
didn't make it vanish or make it illusory.
Brent
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