On 10 Jun 2014, at 03:06, LizR wrote:
Actually on re-reading I'm even less sure I follow what you're
saying. Do you not think there is anything fundamental, and if so,
could you explain how that works? I seem to recall Stephen Paul King
(I think it was) saying that there were two fundamental things - and
primitive materialism has two (space-time and mass-energy, unless
someone manages to unite them).
If you are serious you need to start from things and combination of
things, and then the 3p emergence, and the 1p association and views.
With GR + QM, I think space-time = mass-energy. With a sum somewhere.
A bit like a gaussian sum of positions = a gaussian sum of impulsions.
Are you thinking that the number is larger, or that it's zero, or
that the whole idea is a category error?
The number of what?
The idea: one simple ONE, many complex MANY and beyond.
And if possible two way roads.
Bruno
On 10 June 2014 12:55, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:
On 10 June 2014 10:13, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/9/2014 2:46 PM, LizR wrote:
I guess I could venture that it's the ontology of any TOE in which
interactions are all 3p.
OK, thanks. So I would guess that it's equivalent to eliminativism,
as I think it's called - the idea that consciousness is an illusion
("albeit a persistent one"). It does seem that way to me.
I don't think it implies eliminativism. There's still temperature
even though we have statistical mechanics. I think there's far too
much importance given to "what's fundamental" and it leads to
calling everything else and illusion. I doubt that Bruno thinks
arithmetic is an illusion just because what's fundamental is 0, S,
+, and *. A correction to this kind of obsession with essence is
why I like my virtuous circle of explanation.
So how can all interactions be 3p? Maybe I misunderstood. It seems
to me that consciousness implies there's 1p stuff going on?
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