On 14 Jun 2014, at 01:46, LizR wrote:

On 14 June 2014 10:01, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
On 6/13/2014 2:22 PM, David Nyman wrote:
Moreover, it is not
straightforwardly reducible to the underlying arithmetical entities
and relations, because the selective principle in question *depends"
on complex, computationally-instantiated epistemological states

What's an epistemological state of an arithmetical entity? Sounds like an egregious confusion of levels to me. :-)

Well, our knowledge is, if comp is correct! :-)

Yes.

It is not different from the epistemological state of a machine, or better, of the person associated to the machine.

And with Theatetus applied to the arithmetical beweisbar predicate of Gödel, we do obtain, thanks to incompleteness, the necessary nuances to have first person person ([]p & p), and matter sharable first person ([]p & <>p), although on p sigma_1, matter appears already in the first person.

Those epistemological state does not apply to any arithmetical entities, but provably to those who will have relative self- referentially correct 3p discourse about themselves, including the 3p description of the other discourses.

Bruno





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