On 03 Jul 2014, at 21:10, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 10:13 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The "yes doctor" thing says that if H-guy is destroyed in the
process of being scanned prior to transmission, then he will see
Then who will see?
> M or W (or both, depending on how you want to look at it. I don't
want to get into pronouns at this point).
There is no choice, you just used a personal pronoun at a crucial
point so we HAVE to go into it. For the moment forget what your
third grade English teacher may have said and answer the following
question: in the above thought experiment is the pronoun "he"
singular or plural? Bruno can never give a straight answer to that
and that is why I flat out refuse to use the silly little provincial
homemade term "comp"; it's claimed to just mean "yes doctor" but
then Bruno's next utterance is "according to comp *he* will see this
but *he* will never see that" and Bruno never even give a hint about
who the hell is "he" is supposed to be.
Wrong. It is you who keep ignoring that the W and the M guy are the
same H-guy, and that both agree that they were not able to predict the
actual lived fact of being in this (resp that) city.
I am saying the factual 3p verifiable thing that almost all H-guys
after surviving an iterated WM-duplication, never find an algorithm
capable of predicting what they lived, other than random white noise.
No pronouns are used in an ambiguous way, and in the duplicating case,
I make clear if we talk on the 1p or 3p, as here things are quite
different (for the 3p "I", you are in both city, for the 1p "I", you
are always in only once city).
You keep saying that you see an ambiguity, but you keep making it
yourself by confusing the 1p and the 3p self notion, despite the
simple 3p definition defined in the UDA.
> Dr McCoy worries that every time someone goes through the
transporter, he's being murdered and a clone created which only
thinks it's the same person.
Thinking that I'm alive and am John Clark is plenty good enough for
me! And I would be absolutely delighted to find out that I had been
murdered yesterday because then that would mean that death is not
nearly as big a deal as I had thought it was. I can't imagine
hearing better news!
What if you learn that he has ben tortured, and that he was
reconstituted from some pirating the tele-transport channel. Will you
still use the same channel?
Bruno
John K Clark
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