> On 14-Jul-2014, at 11:08 am, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:09, Samiya Illias wrote: >> >> Why do you need to see God to believe in God? > > Good point, especially coming from a literalist :)
:) > > I agree that God, actually like a Universe, is not seeable. at least not by temporary mortal beings such as the human body we are (in) now > To see a universe, you would need to send photons, or some thing, to it, and > see how that is reflected. Interesting point. Since God is described as Noor (spiritual light) in the Quran, I suppose we can't really see light by shining light on it, especially if both are colourless, or same colour... > Those type of beings are either inferred in some 3p way, or intuited in some > 1p way, and not only we can't prove them to exist or to make sense, but we > cannot provide any 3p exhaustive description. It is the same for arithmetical > truth, and provably so if we assume that we are Turing emulable. > > I do think we might be able to awake the God in us, but that leads to a first > person experience, which, like consciousness, cannot belong to a publicly > available set of genuine scientific sharable evidences. Agree, such experiences are deeply personal and they cannot be proved. However, there has to be some way of examining whether such experience is genuinely a God experience or something else. If God, while creating everything, has paid attention to the finest detail such as DNA coding and quarks and strings, then why is it so difficult or impossible that God would also give us a user manual (guide/scripture) along with this trial (life)? Samiya > Yet, such experiences can still be "personally life changing", like with near > death experiences, or with LSD, or salvia, etc. > > Bruno > > > > >> >>> On 14-Jul-2014, at 2:14 am, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On 7/13/2014 3:47 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: >>>> Sure: "Do you believe in a theist god?" >>>> I'd like to. >>>> >>>> So we can keep using the word "theology" and keep some academic >>>> departments that have no subject. >>>> >>>> This would also include political science, arts, gender studies, french >>>> literature. Are you willing to go that far, and make what doesn't build >>>> bridges or bake bread, something to be learned as a podcast? Sauce for the >>>> goose, sauce for the gander. Dump them all. Right? >>> >>> I can point to art, people with genders, and french literature. I've run a >>> political campaign. But I've never seen a god. >>> >>> Brent >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
