On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:09, Samiya Illias wrote:

Why do you need to see God to believe in God?

Good point, especially coming from a literalist :)

I agree that God, actually like a Universe, is not seeable. To see a universe, you would need to send photons, or some thing, to it, and see how that is reflected. Those type of beings are either inferred in some 3p way, or intuited in some 1p way, and not only we can't prove them to exist or to make sense, but we cannot provide any 3p exhaustive description. It is the same for arithmetical truth, and provably so if we assume that we are Turing emulable.

I do think we might be able to awake the God in us, but that leads to a first person experience, which, like consciousness, cannot belong to a publicly available set of genuine scientific sharable evidences. Yet, such experiences can still be "personally life changing", like with near death experiences, or with LSD, or salvia, etc.

Bruno





On 14-Jul-2014, at 2:14 am, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

On 7/13/2014 3:47 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Sure: "Do you believe in a theist god?"
I'd like to.

So we can keep using the word "theology" and keep some academic departments that have no subject.

This would also include political science, arts, gender studies, french literature. Are you willing to go that far, and make what doesn't build bridges or bake bread, something to be learned as a podcast? Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander. Dump them all. Right?

I can point to art, people with genders, and french literature. I've run a political campaign. But I've never seen a god.

Brent

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