On 20 July 2014 18:37, Kim Jones <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> > On 20 Jul 2014, at 3:51 pm, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > It could be that language constructs the self (or perhaps more precisely
> that using language allowed us to create the concept of a self as one
> amongst many linguistic concepts).
>
> I don't grok this thing of the self 'evolving' like brains and thumbs. We
> surely didn't create the concept of the self. The self did not evolve. It
> switched ON. It awoke. There was a moment. It was a moment in history. Kind
> of like the ape and the bone in Kubrick's '2001'.
>

This is possible (though I don't see how it's testable). However I'm not
sure that we definitely "didn't create the concept of the self". It may be
possible to have a self without having a concept of it - without having
concepts at all, perhaps. That would depend on what the self is. If it's a
linguistic construct then it's basically the same as the concept of the
self, in which case perhaps we did invent it. If it's something else, then
it may have appeared - turned on, emerged or evolved - but we may still
have invented the *concept*. Before we did so there would be no concept of
the self, just the self itself.

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