Have you read Julian Jaynes "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind"?
Great book! Even if they are impossible to verify in detail, Jaynes's ideas are a terrific stimulus to thinking about both the function and the origin of consciousness (in the 3p sense). By the way, I once used TOOCITBOTBM in a game of charades. They got it! David On 20 Jul 2014 13:46, "meekerdb" <[email protected]> wrote: > On 7/19/2014 11:37 PM, Kim Jones wrote: > >> On 20 Jul 2014, at 3:51 pm, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> It could be that language constructs the self (or perhaps more precisely >>> that using language allowed us to create the concept of a self as one >>> amongst many linguistic concepts). >>> >> I don't grok this thing of the self 'evolving' like brains and thumbs. We >> surely didn't create the concept of the self. The self did not evolve. It >> switched ON. It awoke. There was a moment. It was a moment in history. Kind >> of like the ape and the bone in Kubrick's '2001'. >> > > > You seem to know a lot about it. Have you read Julian Jaynes "The Origin > of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind"? > > Brent > >> >> It may be that some substance consumed altered consciousness. From that >> moment forward, there was a signal difference. The possibility of suffering >> being a very large one. I don't think, along with Russell Standish, that >> ants are conscious, for example - but individuals may share in a group >> 'self'. Selfhood is independent of minds or of contents of minds or the >> precision or mental acuity (perception) of minds. It appears to be the kind >> of knowledge of something that cannot be demonstrated in any 3p way. >> >> K >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
