On 7/19/2014 11:37 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
On 20 Jul 2014, at 3:51 pm, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:
It could be that language constructs the self (or perhaps more precisely that
using language allowed us to create the concept of a self as one amongst many
linguistic concepts).
I don't grok this thing of the self 'evolving' like brains and thumbs. We
surely didn't create the concept of the self. The self did not evolve. It
switched ON. It awoke. There was a moment. It was a moment in history. Kind of
like the ape and the bone in Kubrick's '2001'.
You seem to know a lot about it. Have you read Julian Jaynes "The Origin of Consciousness
in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind"?
Brent
It may be that some substance consumed altered consciousness. From that moment
forward, there was a signal difference. The possibility of suffering being a
very large one. I don't think, along with Russell Standish, that ants are
conscious, for example - but individuals may share in a group 'self'. Selfhood
is independent of minds or of contents of minds or the precision or mental
acuity (perception) of minds. It appears to be the kind of knowledge of
something that cannot be demonstrated in any 3p way.
K
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