On 20 Jul 2014, at 08:37, Kim Jones wrote:
On 20 Jul 2014, at 3:51 pm, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
It could be that language constructs the self (or perhaps more
precisely that using language allowed us to create the concept of a
self as one amongst many linguistic concepts).
I don't grok this thing of the self 'evolving' like brains and
thumbs. We surely didn't create the concept of the self. The self
did not evolve. It switched ON. It awoke. There was a moment. It was
a moment in history. Kind of like the ape and the bone in Kubrick's
'2001'.
It may be that some substance consumed altered consciousness. From
that moment forward, there was a signal difference. The possibility
of suffering being a very large one. I don't think, along with
Russell Standish, that ants are conscious, for example - but
individuals may share in a group 'self'. Selfhood is independent of
minds or of contents of minds or the precision or mental acuity
(perception) of minds. It appears to be the kind of knowledge of
something that cannot be demonstrated in any 3p way.
I think that ants are conscious, but probably not self-conscious. That
comes with the spider, cuttlefishes, ... perhaps.
Bruno
K
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