> On 20 Jul 2014, at 3:51 pm, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It could be that language constructs the self (or perhaps more precisely that 
> using language allowed us to create the concept of a self as one amongst many 
> linguistic concepts).

I don't grok this thing of the self 'evolving' like brains and thumbs. We 
surely didn't create the concept of the self. The self did not evolve. It 
switched ON. It awoke. There was a moment. It was a moment in history. Kind of 
like the ape and the bone in Kubrick's '2001'.

It may be that some substance consumed altered consciousness. From that moment 
forward, there was a signal difference. The possibility of suffering being a 
very large one. I don't think, along with Russell Standish, that ants are 
conscious, for example - but individuals may share in a group 'self'. Selfhood 
is independent  of minds or of contents of minds or the precision or mental 
acuity (perception) of minds. It appears to be the kind of knowledge of 
something that cannot be demonstrated in any 3p way. 

K

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