On 20 Jul 2014, at 10:54 pm, Kim Jones, then Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I don't think, along with Russell Standish, that ants are conscious, for >> example - but individuals may share in a group 'self'. Selfhood is >> independent of minds or of contents of minds or the precision or mental >> acuity (perception) of minds. It appears to be the kind of knowledge of >> something that cannot be demonstrated in any 3p way. > > I think that ants are conscious, but probably not self-conscious. That comes > with the spider, cuttlefishes, ... perhaps. > > Bruno So like me you observe there are two "flavours" of consciousness? 1. The non self-aware 2. The self-aware It appears that not noticing that you have a self does not mean you don't have one. This is good news for all living things. You have a self. You may not have noticed it but you have one. This Is the following true: Self-awareness = self-consciousness (?) The latter sounds more like Freud's Superego to me, another ego that confronts the ego within the same psyche. I'm sure this demonstrates that consciousness is not unitary. K -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
