On 29 July 2014 02:35, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 5:55 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I think he falls into the same camp as Fred Hoyle - someone who manages
>> to get something completely wrong
>>
>
> Fred Hoyle's Steady State Theory started out as a perfectly respectable
> scientific idea, it turned out to be false but that's OK, it happens to the
> best of us.
>

However he also stuck to it even when the evidence to the contrary was
completely overwhelming. But I don't think the cosmologists and
astrophysicists interviewed by Nigel Calder were ONLY talking about the
Steady State. The "prove Fred wrong" meme involved a number of ideas - and
"Violent Universe" was published in the early 70s, or around then, so it
was most likely to do with other *cosmological* ideas, since I'm pretty
sure that was before Sir Fred decided AIDS came from space and evolution
was like a typhoon in a junkyard, and so on. (And it was when he was still
writing decent SF.)


> > whatever a computer does is "just" the movement of electrons around
>> circuits
>>
>
> And whatever a human brain does is "just" the movement of molecules and
> ions around neurons. That word  "just"  sure covers a lot!
>

Hence the quote marks. Don't worry I "just" love being quoted out of
context.


> If that proves a computer can't be conscious then it also proves that
> humans aren't conscious; and except for me maybe that's the case.
>

It supposedly proves that the materialist paradigm doesn't explain
consciousness, according to comp. Personally I have yet to be convinced
(hence those damn quote marks.)

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