On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:18 AM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:

>  On 8/5/2014 4:23 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>
> On the other hand, you talk about "usefulness" in a very narrow sense.
> What makes life bearable in this weird reality we find ourselves in is very
> personal. We all have our different ways and different questions that we
> would like to answer, maybe.
>
>
>>   It essentially cuts off any avenue of help.
>>
>
>  No it doesn't! It doesn't follow from "a certain theory of consciousness
> provides no help for Alzheimer" that "there is no possibility of help for
> Alzheimer".
>
>
> When you refer to what makes life bearable is very personal seems to
> identify "life" with "consciousness", since that is what is very personal.
>

Yes.


>   When I said a theory of consciousness that makes it independent of all
> external interactions cuts off all avenues of help, I meant help for those
> personal experiences.  Kim even went so far as to suggest that, in spite of
> external appearances, those with Alzheimers might be perfectly happy and
> content and there is no need to try to help.
>

A priori I would prefer not to have Alzheimers, so if it can be cured I
would cure it. I fully support research in that direction and I am sure I
would be devastated if a loved one started suffering from it. But that may
be selfish indeed. None of us know how it feels to have Alzheimers. I would
apply the golden rule (do as I wanted done to me) because Alzheimers makes
it impossible to apply the better version: so as they would like done to
them.


>   The trouble with such a theory is that it applies as well to those
> apoplectic with rage or sobbing in sorrow - maybe they're really happy, we
> just can't know.
>

But in this case you can ask them.

Telmo.


>
> Brent
>
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