On 06 Aug 2014, at 04:41, meekerdb wrote:
On 8/5/2014 4:59 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
Normally, up to 87% of what we take away from each other's
utterances is carried by the "meta data" of body languge when we
look at the other talk. Clearly this can be manipulative. Most of
the "person" is not in what they bleat about when they open their
mouth, it's in what they look like and in how they behave! This IMO
reinforces my strong impression that the self is independent of the
particular instantiation.
It reinforces my impression that consciousness is only a small part
of a person.
It is a small and invisible part of the person, but it is what makes a
person into a person, that is some "hero" in some story, or some
player in some game, with his/her personality, related to memories and
ancestor memories, etc.
I will try an analogy. A person is like a painting, the raw
consciousness is like the white board on which that painting is paint.
It is invisible, but it is the support of the painting, without which
you could not see it.
That white board is the consciousness of the universal number that you
are, not the one that run you (or you do the "Searle's mistake").
It needs no more than two reflexive loops, one halve of Löbianity,
somehow, which needs somehow two universal machines "input" of each
other.
It is very simple "algorithmically", like the mandelbrot set, or the
code of a universal system, but it is extraordinarily complex in its
possible dynamics, behavior, especially when he meets fellow universal
systems.
Brent
"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful what we
pretend to be."
--- Kurt Vonnegut, Mother Night
Yes, salvia gives that feeling, eventually "you" is your choice.
It is not what happens to you (the memories) which defines you, but it
is what you do with those memories. To be able to dissociate from
them, helps to get a less emotional look at it, understand that you
might not be defined by those memories, and do the right thing, by a
detachment of the fruit of action (like in the Bhagavad Gita) which
allows action without stress interference.
Emotions are good in building sense and goals, but are by themselves
an heavy embarrassment for transforming the goals.
But we are not or emotions either. We have them. We are not them.
Consciousness is a small part of the person, but it is the its most
solid part. A bit like the center of the wheel, which is a very tiny
part of the wheel, but a capital one.
Bruno
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