On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 5:48 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 8/7/2014 5:03 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:18 AM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 8/5/2014 4:23 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On the other hand, you talk about "usefulness" in a very narrow sense. >> What makes life bearable in this weird reality we find ourselves in is very >> personal. We all have our different ways and different questions that we >> would like to answer, maybe. >> >> >>> It essentially cuts off any avenue of help. >>> >> >> No it doesn't! It doesn't follow from "a certain theory of >> consciousness provides no help for Alzheimer" that "there is no possibility >> of help for Alzheimer". >> >> >> When you refer to what makes life bearable is very personal seems to >> identify "life" with "consciousness", since that is what is very personal. >> > > Yes. > > >> When I said a theory of consciousness that makes it independent of all >> external interactions cuts off all avenues of help, I meant help for those >> personal experiences. Kim even went so far as to suggest that, in spite of >> external appearances, those with Alzheimers might be perfectly happy and >> content and there is no need to try to help. >> > > A priori I would prefer not to have Alzheimers, so if it can be cured I > would cure it. I fully support research in that direction and I am sure I > would be devastated if a loved one started suffering from it. But that may > be selfish indeed. None of us know how it feels to have Alzheimers. I would > apply the golden rule (do as I wanted done to me) because Alzheimers makes > it impossible to apply the better version: so as they would like done to > them. > > >> The trouble with such a theory is that it applies as well to those >> apoplectic with rage or sobbing in sorrow - maybe they're really happy, we >> just can't know. >> > > But in this case you can ask them. > > > That doesn't help. Their response is a mere external 3p phenomenon. We > can't know what is in their consciousness. > I know that when I ask for help I mean it, so I can apply inductive reasoning to assume that somebody else asking for help also means it. With Alzheimers we don't even have that. So I wouldn't say it's the same situation unless you reject induction. Telmo. > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
