On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:36 AM, Russell Standish <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 04:57:20PM +0200, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > 2014-09-23 16:20 GMT+02:00 John Clark <[email protected]>: > > > > > > > > And this is a example of why I'm so certain that regardless of what you > > > say "comp" is NOT just a abbreviation for computationalism. > > > Computationalism says that consciousness is what matter does when it is > > > organized in certain ways > > > > > > > No, that's not computationalism... that's functionalism. Computationalism > > involve computations... Consciousness could come from matter organized > in > > certain ways without being the result of a computation. So no, > > computationalism is not "consciousness is what matter does when it is > > organized in certain ways". > > > > Quentin > > > > If I might comment: this is usually called materialism, and it is > basically the idea that consciousness supervenes on matter. > > There is a more extreme version of materialism called physicalism, > which essentially states that consciousness is nothing more than an > epiphenomenon, that physical processes and relationships suffice to > fully and completely explain everything. Physicalism sometimes goes by > the name of eliminative materialism. And IIUC, physicalism is what > Bruno shows is incompatible with COMP, materialism as I use it here is > perfectly compatible. > Which I don't see. In both cases it would appear that one needs to keep matter primitive, which comp along UDA and machine interview lines does not, gradually letting go of it in steps 6,7,8. I don't see why with comp specified we'd need some primitive matter, which you appear to assume ("matter organized certain ways... consciousness supervenes" )nor do I see convincing attempt of wrestling with "matter is any snot I need it to be for argument's sake". Where I agree with you is that the subject is a mess; where I perhaps disagree is that I'm not sure you're part of the cleanup crew, especially with the vague matter you appear to be shlepping around. Could you clarify this? PGC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
