On 9/23/2014 5:23 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
If I might comment: this is usually called materialism, and it is
basically the idea that consciousness supervenes on matter.
There is a more extreme version of materialism called physicalism,
which essentially states that consciousness is nothing more than an
epiphenomenon, that physical processes and relationships suffice to
fully and completely explain everything. Physicalism sometimes goes by
the name of eliminative materialism. And IIUC, physicalism is what
Bruno shows is incompatible with COMP, materialism as I use it here is
perfectly compatible.
Which I don't see. In both cases it would appear that one needs to keep matter
primitive, which comp along UDA and machine interview lines does not, gradually letting
go of it in steps 6,7,8.
I don't see why with comp specified we'd need some primitive matter, which you appear to
assume ("matter organized certain ways... consciousness supervenes" )nor do I see
convincing attempt of wrestling with "matter is any snot I need it to be for argument's
sake".
Where I agree with you is that the subject is a mess; where I perhaps disagree is that
I'm not sure you're part of the cleanup crew, especially with the vague matter you
appear to be shlepping around. Could you clarify this? PGC
I agree with Russell, matter organized in certain ways is necessary for consciousness (as
we know it. For *not* as we know it...well, we don't know). However, neither Russell nor I
said "primitive" matter. That was inserted by you - thus muddling the muddle of which you
complain.
Brent
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