On 12 Oct 2014, at 18:36, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Samiya Illias <[email protected]
> wrote:
> Consider the following verses of Chapter 75:16-19 Stir not thy
tongue herewith to hasten it. Lo! upon Us (resteth) the putting
together thereof and the reading thereof. And when We read it,
follow thou the reading; Then lo! upon Us (resteth) the explanation
thereof.
As long as we're quoting the Quran how about 2:176
"God has revealed the Book with truth; those that disagree about it
are in extreme schism" .
READ: God obeys to truth if God is some maw in reality, God already =
Truth).
Then it just say that liar and wrong people are in trouble.
or 2:190-93
"Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from
which they drove you. Idolatry is worse than carnage. . . . if they
attack you put them to the sword".
Defend yourself against the liars.
Something like "slay them wherever you find them" is a biit
theologically problematic, and as samiya said, Muhammad wrote this
during a war, and can't concentrate enough on what God told him. he is
human, and probably influenced by temporal problems, I would guess.
or 3:12:
"Say to the unbelievers: 'You shall be overthrown and driven into
Hell--an evil resting place!'" .
Yes, those who mock truth build their own destructions, like those who
lie about petrol and cannabis.
Unfortuanetly that can take time ...
Or 3:118
"Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people. They
will spare no pains to corrupt you. They desire nothing but your
ruin. Their hatred is evident from what they utter with their
mouths, but greater is the hatred which their breasts conceal" .
Maybe Muhammad get paranoid. Or you can interpret it by "don't try to
convince the studdborn". Here, I would have more time, I would consult
many translations.
Or 5:57
"Believers, do not seek the friendship of the infidels"
Don't try to make dialog with people coming up with 2+2=5.
The question is not "is this the most common interpretation of the
Quran, it is "is this the correct interpretation of the Quran".
That very crucial point was debated by the 8-9-10-11th centuries,
among serious theologians and philosophers, at the time the "real"
debate (between Plato's and Aristotle's conception of reality) was
still discussed.
or 5:80-82
"You will find that the most implacable of men in their enmity to
the faithful are the Jews and the pagans, and that the nearest in
affection to them are those who say: 'We are Christians'"
Well, not sure Samiya will agree with me, but this type of ad hominem
statement has no place in a sacred text. It contradicts also the surat
of the poet and the surat of the table.
I have no problem. I would be Muslim I would explain this by the fact
that Muhammad is a human being, or Löbian entity, which can always get
wrong, or that someone added this, perhaps a Christian.
For the pagans, I understand, but with comp, paganism and resistance
to the argument-per-authority seems to be encouraged.
Or 6:49:
"Those that deny Our revelations shall be punished for their
misdeeds" .
This is either an argument-per-authority, or a trivial statement that
departing from truth leads to catastrophes. We need much more
translation to judge this, especially that in those time, such an
assertion apparently irreligious might only be a poetical assertion on
some acceptable axiomatic of truth.
or 3:149-51
"We will put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. . . . The
Fire shall be their home"
Same for this. If you believe that 5+5= 4, "we" shall put the mess in
your bank account and internet. We need not just many good
translations, but a "style" of the period analysis.
Bruno
John K Clark
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