I don't object to Bruno's usages, I try to adjust my thinking to accommodate what he's saying and how he's saying it (which I have to do with lots of people, both on and off this list).
On 14 October 2014 13:03, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 Samiya Illias <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> If the Quran has told Muslims to "put terror into the hearts of the >>> unbelievers" and if the Quran really is the word of God then you will be in >>> a constant state of war until the last unbeliever has been converted or >>> murdered. >>> >> >> > Incorrect. God and his angels will put terror in the hearts. >> > > Then God isn't doing a very good job, I guess He needs reinforcements. > Neither God nor His angels puts terror into my heart, but religious > nincompoops with a fetish for dynamite do. > > >> > Muslims are not asked to do that. >> > > And yet Muslims are told to: > > “Say to the unbelievers: ‘You shall be overthrown and driven into Hell—an > evil resting place!’” . > > And > > “Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people. They will > spare no pains to corrupt you. They desire nothing but your ruin. Their > hatred is evident from what they utter with their mouths, but greater is > the hatred which their breasts conceal” . > > And > > “Believers, do not seek the friendship of the infidels" > > >> > According to the Quran [...] >> > > Samiya, this is 21st century, other than the fact that you mommy and daddy > told you it was true why would you care what the Quran said? > > > God doesn't force faith on anyone. >> > > But Muslims and Christians do. > > > In fact, on the contrary, those who do not want to believe, God >> withholds guidance from them. > > > What I want to know is why a omnipotent being would consider a belief (or > the desire to have a belief) in something for which there is no evidence a > virtue, in fact the very greatest virtue there is. It's childishly easy to > understand why a bipedal hominid like Jesus or Mohamed or any > mountebank who wished to gain some control over his fellow hominids would > push this idea, but I don't see why a omnipotent being would. > > >> > if you put one toe out of line a loving God with torture you in ways >>> beyond imagining for a infinite number of years. >>> >> >> > Well, if you do not believe in God or after-life, why do you worry >> about it? > > > I worry that God will torment me in the afterlife about as much as I worry > that the big bad wolf will huff and puff and blow my house down, however I > do worry that other people worry about it because nothing in human history > has causes people to do more stupid and destructive things than religion. > > >> I think the God of the Quran is the second most unpleasant character in >>> all of fiction, only the God of the Old Testament is worse. >>> >> >> > I think Allah ( The Deity) is the most loving and compassionate. >> > > Well you'd better think that God is most loving and compassionate because > if you don't your religion says that most loving and compassionate being > will torture you in ways too horrible for our present human minds to > contemplate. And a most loving and compassionate God will continue > performing His butchery on you not for a million years, or a billion years > or a trillion years but for a INFINITE* number of years. > > *Scripture does not report if the infinity is denumerable or if the number > of years in hell being tortured by a loving and compassionate God can be > put into a one to one correspondence with the set of Real Numbers. > > > It is of no benefit to Allah to punish anyone > > > And yet according to both Islam and Christianity God uses all of his > infinite power to punish people for the slightest violation of one of His > many monumentally silly rules. When you look at the way God behaves in the > Quran (or the Bible) can you detect any fundamental difference from the way > Satin behaves? The only difference I can see is that God won the war and is > a little more powerful, so the only reason to join God's team rather than > that of His competition is that God is a bigger school yard bully than > Satin. > > > the doors for repentance are open till a person is about to die. It's >> only when the veil is lifted and a person sees the angel of death that the >> chance to repent and believe is over. > > > So if a man was a good person for 80 years but in the last 3 seconds of > his life during his death agony in a concentration camp he screamed "damn > God" he goes to hell. But if Hitler said "there is no God but Allah and > Mohamed was his prophet" one second before he put a pistol in his mouth and > pulled the trigger then Hitler goes to Heaven. > > Well.. I guess it's no dumber than lots of other religious ideas. > > John K Clark > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
