Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Ok, very good Bruno. Like Shrodingers cat not being a cat, but a particle state. However, there have being papers by L. Suskind, some years back sort of indicating an embedded identity, with a BB. So there must be some confusion on my part. I can dig up some links to old articles that indicate personality, and consciousness.
Mitch <div> -----Original Message----- From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Oct 16, 2014 02:04 AM Subject: Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore? <div id="AOLMsgPart_2_cc5d6f32-a6ae-422b-9998-8d9fe990bc21"> <div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; " class="aolReplacedBody"> <div> <div> On 15 Oct 2014, at 13:23, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: <br class="aolmail_Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote> <font color="black" size="2" face="arial"> <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="background-color: transparent;">Aha! Now what of Boltzmann Brains and how this topic is undervalued by the intellects here. </font> </font> </blockquote> The UD is more general than the Boltzman brain. It contains the web of all Boltzmann brain manifestation. There is no actual real "brains", even for a physicalist it is only first person symmetry breaking in the symmetrical universal waves of the (quantum) vacuum. Bruno <blockquote> <font color="black" size="2" face="arial"> <div style="color: black; font-family: arial,helvetica; font-size: 10pt;"> -----Original Message----- From: John Clark < <a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>> To: everything-list < <a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>> Sent: Tue, Oct 14, 2014 7:30 pm Subject: Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore? <div id="aolmail_AOLMsgPart_1_0babdffc-4228-4bda-b507-9f710078395b"> <div dir="ltr"> <div class="aolmail_gmail_extra"> <div class="aolmail_gmail_quote"> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Bruno Marchal <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>></span> wrote: </div> <div class="aolmail_gmail_quote"> <blockquote class="aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"> <div style="-ms-word-wrap: break-word;"> > I suggest to define God by "either the physical universe OR what is at the > origin of the physical universe, </div> </blockquote> Then if modern cosmologists are even close to being correct God is not omniscient, God isn't even very smart, in fact God is as dumb as a sack full of doorknobs. And that is a great example of someone more than willing to abandon the idea of God but not the English word G-O-D. <blockquote class="aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"> <div style="-ms-word-wrap: break-word;"> <div> > or what is at the origin of the conscious belief in the physical universe </div> </div> </blockquote> Then my brain is God but your brain is not because I believe in a physical universe but you have said on this list that you don't. <blockquote class="aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"> <div style="-ms-word-wrap: break-word;"> > With that definition of God, God's existence is quite plausible </div> </blockquote> If you redefine dragons as the animals the run in the Kentucky Derby Race every year then the existence of dragons is quite plausible. 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