On 18 Oct 2014, at 17:00, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Moreover, can consciousness be copied? Can we be duplicated mentally
and how well can we. If, consciousness is a substance, as Tegmark
asserts, then the pattern can be copied, right?
If consciousness is a quantum substance, integrally, then it cannot be
cloned.
But then also, computationalism is false. Computationalism is that
consciousness can be duplicated in the 3-1 view, like in the WM-
duplication experiment. Consciousness cannot be duplicated in the 1-
view, though, that is why there is a first person indeterminacy to
begin with. But it is only relative (like in QM, actually).
But then, assuming comp, we have also that the physical substance, the
apparent primitive matter cannot be cloned, as it is a sum of
infinities. This must be weakened by the renormalization needed to
hunt the white rabbit away, and which is already consistent with the
observable-logic extracted from classical comp (comp + Theaetetus).
Keep in mind that once we assume computationalism, we cannot refer to
the current physics in the argument, for logical reason. that
elimiantes consciousness with or without saying. With
computationalism, it is also equivalent with using God in a scientific
explanation in theology. We can't do that, independently of the
existence of god or not, or here of the physical universe or not.
Bruno
-----Original Message-----
From: Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]>
To: everything-list <[email protected]>
Sent: Sat, Oct 18, 2014 9:23 am
Subject: Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)
On 17 October 2014 09:40, David Nyman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 16 October 2014 19:54, Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>> A necessary side-effect roughly equates to the idea of weak
emergence.
>
>
> Weak emergence of what, precisely? And in what way could this
emergent
> something be distinguishable from the physical processes
constituting it?
Weak emergence of consciousness. The emergent phenomenon is
distinguishable from the physical processes constituting it in the way
any system is distinguishable from its parts, while still being
fundamentally nothing more than its parts.
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Stathis Papaioannou
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