I do not think the Uma is permitted to make "peace" with the Qufar (Islamic peoples/infidels) under the jurisprudence of Quaran and Soonah. For, all, Islam is the House of Peace, and the Infidels are the House of War, as in Dar es Salaam, Dar al Harb. Muslims are not permitted to make 'peace' with the Qufar, only peace may be made with another Muslim. Muslims are permitted to make a Hudna. A hudna is a temporary truce to re-arm, so that the Jihad may proceed. A true peace is just the language used for the benefit of non-muslim listener. This is known as Taquiyya, which means deception, to advance the cause of Islam. All religions stink, but some currently, are worse than others. Some are much more benign. There is a potential fix for all this, but I won't waste time blathering on it, because of the disinterest in the group. Nothing will change unless you have something beyond to offer the Uma, besides cell phones and movies. -----Original Message----- From: Samiya Illias <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Jan 9, 2015 10:42 pm Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?
On 09-Jan-2015, at 10:14 pm, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: On 09 Jan 2015, at 05:48, Samiya Illias wrote: On 08-Jan-2015, at 10:46 pm, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: >> Ultimate reality? What would make one reality more real than another? > Ultimate, primary, fundamental means that it is assumed in the axioms, and > not derivable from logically simpler axioms. If you had said "fundamental reality" I would not have objected, but the foundations of a skyscraper are not more real than the upper stories. >> The open question is rather mundane, it is what the English 3 letter word >> "G-O-D" means. > But it is a simple and mudane facts that it means quite different things > according to time, place, culture So is there any time place or culture where you would be willing to say in a loud clear unequivocal voice "I do not believe in God"? Could you ever say those words with no ifs, ands, or buts, or would the words always stick in your throat? > Only Fundamentalist christians, fundamentalist muslims and bigot atheists > [...] You've called me a "bigot atheist" before so I asked myself if it was true. Well, a bigot is a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions than ones own, so am I intolerant of religious people in general? No, I may have contempt for those particular ideas but don't want people who hold them killed or imprisoned or punished in any way, except perhaps by being given a tongue lashing by me on the Everything List. I am however intolerant of certain religious forces of cruelty imbecility and ignorance as exemplified by the recent murders of 12 people in Paris because Muslim dimwits didn't like the cartoons they drew. I am also intolerant of those who murdered 132 children and 16 of their teachers in a school in Pakistan a few weeks ago because they didn't like the religious views of their parents; the radio conversation between the Muslim child murderers and their bosses were overheard, "We have killed all the children in the auditorium. What do we do now?", the answer was "Waite for the army to arrive, kill them, and then blow yourself up", and that is exactly what they did. I am intolerant of that sort of behavior even if it was caused by religious belief, and if that makes be a bigot then so be it. Most Muslims are also horrified by the cruelty, imbecility and ignorance of the people who are orchestrating and doing / getting done these and other terrible acts in the name of Islam. It's wrong, it's horrible and it's not Islamic! Obviously. The chart of the Hamas looks more like a summary of "Mein Kampf" (disguised in muslim terms) than a summary of the Quran. Note that some unfortunate verse in the Quran might help them (like the Gospels can too, or even the Bible) when interpreted literally, and here, I think that literalism does not help. I think also literalism is close to the blasphem (of type []<>t). And if you've noticed, the victims of these horrible acts across the world are largely Muslims. It makes us wonder who is behind these atrocities? Good question. And why do we (occident) continue to support the Hamas, and the Qatar and Saudi people who finance the armed groups? The origin of Isil is also a bit mysterious, then many questions remains unanswered about 9/11, and ... we continue the prohibition of medication, despite we know today that it corrupts all layers of the democracies, and it benefits only, and a lot, to the criminals and the terrorists. It looks like there is a form of international banditism at play. Note that prohibition of medication has also been made possible by the fake morality enforced by the institutionalized religions. We have done the same error with health than with religion, somehow. We don't learn, but we will, I guess, (there is not much choice in the long run or it will be the spiders who will get closer to God's will and contemplate the transcendental realities from Earth). Many a mighty civilisations have caused great mischief and corruption in the lands, yet when they stopped heeding warnings and established their sins against themselves, God removed them and replaced them with another civilisation. That is how the mighty ancients were dealt with. This might be of interest: http://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-mighty-ancients.html Samiya Bruno Samiya > In my personal opinion if you mean something that is not omniscient not > omnipotent not omnipresent not conscious is as dumb as a stump and is not > even a being it would only be good manners to use a word other than God as > that word is already taken for something else > Sorry, but here even the wiki agrees with me, like all book on comparative > theology. the word God was used by the pre-christians platonist, also, to > which I clearly refer. And those pre-Christians performed sacrifices, human and otherwise, to gain the favor of their "God", and they built temples to their "God", and they built statues of their "God" that was supposed to show what "God" looked like. In some cases the statues seems to have actually become their "God". But how do you build a statue of the inflation field? Does the inflation field have a beard? Where are all these God believers who built no temples, made no statues, performed no sacrifices and said no prayers that you keep talking about? Where are all the leaders who say they did NOT hear God's voice telling them what to do? Where are all the nations or city-states or tribes who say God is NOT on our side in this war? John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. 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