On 16 Jan 2015, at 10:32, LizR wrote:

Clearly one cannot disbelieve in God without knowing, or at least having an idea of, what God is. Personally I don't disbelieve in God, I merely find the idea highly unlikely and don't find that it contributes anything to discussions such as "why is there something rather than nothing?" So I am agnostic, as I am about all the other gods, not to mention Santa, who I recently saw on "Doctor Who".

(Of course I do believe in Daleks...)

If you believe in Daleks, you believe enough to believe in the God of the machine. We need it, to use the theory of machine's dream as an explanation why we see physical universes and sometimes pink elephants, despite nothing like that really exists.

I give the math to see if we get right the number of pink elephants in the many-dreams (by number) interpretation of elementary arithmetic (0 I guess, and hope).

Keep in mind that God is defined by being the object of the theory of everything, or, by definition, the answer we look for with the question "why is there something instead of nothing?".

The question is not if God exists or not. But if

God = the physical universe?
God = a mathematical structure? Which one?
God = a dream by a universal machine?
God = a sum on all dreams by all universal machines?
God = the one who lost itself in a labyrinth of dreams?
God = the one who plays hide and seek with Itself?
God = the universal person?
God = the universal person completions? (if that exists)
God = Allah?
God = Jesus?
God = Krishna?
God = my tax collector?
God = the one who made the cat in its own image, and then made the humans to gives the vat the modern comfort, with TV nad bag of catnip?
etc.

"Theo" in greek run around the idea of contemplation, examination and speculation. A religion is only an as large as possible conception of reality, and God is a nickname for what is real, or for what we are confronted with. No need to believe literally in any theory proposed by any human on this subject, but we can make clear what we assume and how we reason and test the theories.

Bruno

I have to go. Will answer other posts probably tomorrow.






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