On 19 Jan 2015, at 01:11, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/18/2015 10:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 16 Jan 2015, at 10:32, LizR wrote:
Clearly one cannot disbelieve in God without knowing, or at least
having an idea of, what God is. Personally I don't disbelieve in
God, I merely find the idea highly unlikely and don't find that it
contributes anything to discussions such as "why is there
something rather than nothing?" So I am agnostic, as I am about
all the other gods, not to mention Santa, who I recently saw on
"Doctor Who".
(Of course I do believe in Daleks...)
If you believe in Daleks, you believe enough to believe in the God
of the machine. We need it, to use the theory of machine's dream as
an explanation why we see physical universes and sometimes pink
elephants, despite nothing like that really exists.
I give the math to see if we get right the number of pink elephants
in the many-dreams (by number) interpretation of elementary
arithmetic (0 I guess, and hope).
Keep in mind that God is defined by being the object of the theory
of everything, or, by definition, the answer we look for with the
question "why is there something instead of nothing?".
The question is not if God exists or not. But if
But that's silly. You presume God exists, but with no description,
With no name or description in the sense of the logicians. But I gave
an informal and general meaning for the term: it is what we search,
the origin of reality, or the explanation of reality, or the better
explanation that we can find for reality, etc.
so the only task is to find a description to go with the word
"God". If you're going to ask whether something exists that cannot
be defined ostensively, then you need to define it by description.
Otherwise it's just wordplay. Compare:
The question isn't whether Paul Bunyan exists or not. But if
Paul Bunyan = the physical universe?
Paul Bunyan = a mathematical structure? Which one?
Paul Bunyan = a dream by a universal machine?
Paul Bunyan = a sum on all dreams by all universal machines?
Paul Bunyan = the one who lost itself in a labyrinth of dreams?
Paul Bunyan = the one who plays hide and seek with Itself?
Paul Bunyan = the universal person?
Paul Bunyan = the universal person completions? (if that exists)
Paul Bunyan = Allah?
Paul Bunyan = Jesus?
Paul Bunyan = Krishna?
Paul Bunyan = my tax collector?
Paul Bunyan = the one who made the cat in its own image, and then
made the humans to gives the vat the modern comfort, with TV nad bag
of catnip?
etc.
Except that with God, people understand the questions, but with Paul
Bunyan, it looks like funny, unless you have a reason to think that
Paul Bunyan is at the origin of reality. But then you must provide
some supplementary explanations. In that case Paul Bunyan would be
another name of God,in the general sense, but it looks too much like a
precise name, which does not fit with most axioms accepted for God.
I'm afraid you continue playing with words.
Bruno
Brent
God = the physical universe?
God = a mathematical structure? Which one?
God = a dream by a universal machine?
God = a sum on all dreams by all universal machines?
God = the one who lost itself in a labyrinth of dreams?
God = the one who plays hide and seek with Itself?
God = the universal person?
God = the universal person completions? (if that exists)
God = Allah?
God = Jesus?
God = Krishna?
God = my tax collector?
God = the one who made the cat in its own image, and then made the
humans to gives the vat the modern comfort, with TV nad bag of
catnip?
etc.
"Theo" in greek run around the idea of contemplation, examination
and speculation. A religion is only an as large as possible
conception of reality, and God is a nickname for what is real,
That's disingenuous. "Reality" is a common word, so we don't need a
nickname. You seem to be just making up excuses to use "God".
Brent
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