On 13 Feb 2015, at 11:41, LizR wrote:
On 13 February 2015 at 18:20, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2/12/2015 6:24 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote:
John,
Calling 'empty space' 'nothing' in the philosophical sense is just
a confusion. I can only repeat what I said before:
'My position is that the idea that you can explain the origin of "a
universe from nothing" is absurd.' Either you have pre-existing
laws and substrate -- which is not 'nothing' -- or the universe
just "pops" spontaneously, and laws, etc, are just descriptions of
observed regularities in whatever has "popped". You don't have many
other options.
The other popular option (in both religion and physics) is that the
universe is eternal and no "popping" is needed. Some are eternal
and infinite and others are eternal and cyclic.
This is true, of course, and changes the question (slightly) - "Why
does the eternal universe, and its laws of physics, exist?"
A conspiration made by the numbers 0, 1, 2, 3, 8, sqrt(2), e, pi, i,
gamma, 24 and
808,017,424,794,512,875,886,459,904,961,710,757,005,754,368,000,000,000
, tries to make you believe so.
(The big number is the number of elements of the Monster group, and is
related to the Moonshine conjecture; which gives light on some
shortcut between number theory and physics, and groups, and
measures, ...).
Anyway, if that is true, that has to be justified by the self-
introspecting universal machine. And that gives a piece of formalism
(S4Grz1, Z1*, X1*), so we get some light and testing abilities.
Liz, could you please remind me which hat you put during month with "r".
Bruno
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