On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 05:12:08PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 09 May 2015, at 03:07, Russell Standish wrote: > > >On Fri, May 08, 2015 at 09:02:29AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> > >>In 1987, when I present the argument, in the room some come up with > >>similar idea, and I answered. But some told me after that when > >>people come up with idea like a recording is conscious, or 2+2 might > > > >Really? Why are people so quick to accept that conscious recordings > >are absurd? Sure I can understand that Bogie in the screen version of > >Casablanca is not conscious, but that is not the sort of recording > >we're talking about. Here we're talking about something like an EEG > >pattern where every neuron is recorded, as well as the entire > >connectome. Why is it any more absurd for that to be be conscious than > >it is for the original lump of grey goo to be conscious? > > That movie are conscious qua computatio is absurd, because the movie > contains only a description of a computation, with no logical or > arithmetic, nor physical (among the relevant one to have a > computation). >
It has the physical, after the movie _is being_ replayed, and is physically indistinguishable from the original computation. I don't agree that it is only "a description of a computation". It is a computation, albeit one of a restricted class. For example, one can formally remove all conditional/branch instructions from the recording replay. The question is why is it intuitively obvious that conditional/branch structure are _required_ for consciousness? That is what needs to be addressed. (See my earlier positing on another thread for a possible answer to that). > That consciousness supervenes on the physical activity of the lump > of grey goo IS ALSO absurd, as it leads to the point that movie is > conscious. > For a materialist, saying that statement is absurd, and will lead to being not listened to any further. Cheers -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics [email protected] University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
