On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 05:12:08PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 09 May 2015, at 03:07, Russell Standish wrote: > > >On Fri, May 08, 2015 at 09:02:29AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> > >>In 1987, when I present the argument, in the room some come up with > >>similar idea, and I answered. But some told me after that when > >>people come up with idea like a recording is conscious, or 2+2 might > > > >Really? Why are people so quick to accept that conscious recordings > >are absurd? Sure I can understand that Bogie in the screen version of > >Casablanca is not conscious, but that is not the sort of recording > >we're talking about. Here we're talking about something like an EEG > >pattern where every neuron is recorded, as well as the entire > >connectome. Why is it any more absurd for that to be be conscious than > >it is for the original lump of grey goo to be conscious? > > That movie are conscious qua computatio is absurd, because the movie > contains only a description of a computation, with no logical or > arithmetic, nor physical (among the relevant one to have a > computation). >
It has the physical, after the movie _is being_ replayed, and is physically indistinguishable from the original computation. I don't agree that it is only "a description of a computation". It is a computation, albeit one of a restricted class. For example, one can formally remove all conditional/branch instructions from the recording replay. The question is why is it intuitively obvious that conditional/branch structure are _required_ for consciousness? That is what needs to be addressed. (See my earlier positing on another thread for a possible answer to that). > That consciousness supervenes on the physical activity of the lump > of grey goo IS ALSO absurd, as it leads to the point that movie is > conscious. > For a materialist, saying that statement is absurd, and will lead to being not listened to any further. Cheers -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
