On 09 May 2015, at 03:07, Russell Standish wrote:
On Fri, May 08, 2015 at 09:02:29AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
In 1987, when I present the argument, in the room some come up with
similar idea, and I answered. But some told me after that when
people come up with idea like a recording is conscious, or 2+2 might
Really? Why are people so quick to accept that conscious recordings
are absurd? Sure I can understand that Bogie in the screen version of
Casablanca is not conscious, but that is not the sort of recording
we're talking about. Here we're talking about something like an EEG
pattern where every neuron is recorded, as well as the entire
connectome. Why is it any more absurd for that to be be conscious than
it is for the original lump of grey goo to be conscious?
That movie are conscious qua computatio is absurd, because the movie
contains only a description of a computation, with no logical or
arithmetic, nor physical (among the relevant one to have a computation).
That consciousness supervenes on the physical activity of the lump of
grey goo IS ALSO absurd, as it leads to the point that movie is
conscious.
So consciousness supervenes on the computations, and thus all in the
arithmetic (which contains the UD and its running).
After all,
the ancient Egyptians thought it a prepostuous idea, and would chuck
the brains out when mummifying the Pharoahs.
I don't think intuition is a reliable guide here, which is why I focus
more on counterfactual correctness, which is at least something that
can be grasped rigorously.
Yes, and consciousness is related to counterfactual correctness. A
machine incarnate correctly its Platonic-consciousness when it can
react correctly ith respect to its more probable universal neighbors,
including the plausible one running them at the right subst level.
Consciousness is then related to a state in relation with many states;
never to a state in particular, which has no meaning per se, out a the
universal environment(s) which can emulate it.
Bruno
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