On 04 Jun 2015, at 18:01, Terren Suydam wrote:
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 03 Jun 2015, at 14:58, Terren Suydam wrote:
It would be like saying that bats' echolocation is an illusion. Not
a perfect analogy, because a bat's facility for echolocation is
rooted in its physiology, not constructed, but the point is that
with both the ego and echolocation, the experiencer's consciousness
is provided with a particular character it would not otherwise have
been able to experience.
I usually distinguish 8 forms of ego (the eight hypostases). Each
time it is the sigma_1 reality, but viewed from a different angle.
The illusion (with the negative connotations) are more in the
confusion between two hypostases, than each hypostase per se.
I am not sure we disagree, except on some choice of words.
Bruno
I agree that we agree :-)
I agree with this to :)
I know you've posted it in the past but can you point me to a
summary of the original Plotinus model with the 8 hypostases? My
cursory googling reveals only 3 attributed to Plotinus (One,
Intellect, Soul).
That is what Plotinus called the primary hypostases. But there is no
"secondary hypostases", but then some sholars, and myself, agree that
his "two matters" ennead describes actually two (degenerate,
secondary) hypostases. So in the enneads ypu have the three primary
hypostases, which in the "machine theology" is given by truth (One,
p), provable (Intellect, []p) and Soul (that we get with the theatetus
idea on the One and Intellect, []p & p), and the two matters:
intelligible matter ([]p & <>t) and sensible matter ([]p & <>t & p).
One = p
Intellect = []p (splits in two: G and G*)
Soul = []p & p (does not split: S4Grz)
Intelligible matter = []p & <>t (splits in two Z and Z*)
Sensible matter = []p & <>t & p.(splits in two: X and X*).
To get the propositional physics, you have to restrict the p on the
sigma_1 truth (the computable, the UD-accessible states).
For the neoplatonist; matter is almost where God loses control, and
can't intervene, it is close to the FPI idea, as you know that even
God cannot predict to you, when in Helsinki, where you will feel to be
after the split. For the platonist, matter is really where even the
form can't handle the indetermination. It is of the type ~[]#, or <>#.
It is also the place giving rooms for the contingencies, and what we
can hope and eventually build or recover.
Bruno
Terren
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