On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 04 Jun 2015, at 18:01, Terren Suydam wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On 03 Jun 2015, at 14:58, Terren Suydam wrote: >> >> >> It would be like saying that bats' echolocation is an illusion. Not a >> perfect analogy, because a bat's facility for echolocation is rooted in its >> physiology, not constructed, but the point is that with both the ego and >> echolocation, the experiencer's consciousness is provided with a particular >> character it would not otherwise have been able to experience. >> >> >> I usually distinguish 8 forms of ego (the eight hypostases). Each time it >> is the sigma_1 reality, but viewed from a different angle. The illusion >> (with the negative connotations) are more in the confusion between two >> hypostases, than each hypostase per se. >> I am not sure we disagree, except on some choice of words. >> >> Bruno >> > > I agree that we agree :-) > > > I agree with this to :) > > > > I know you've posted it in the past but can you point me to a summary of > the original Plotinus model with the 8 hypostases? My cursory googling > reveals only 3 attributed to Plotinus (One, Intellect, Soul). > > > That is what Plotinus called the primary hypostases. But there is no > "secondary hypostases", but then some sholars, and myself, agree that his > "two matters" ennead describes actually two (degenerate, secondary) > hypostases. So in the enneads ypu have the three primary hypostases, which > in the "machine theology" is given by truth (One, p), provable (Intellect, > []p) and Soul (that we get with the theatetus idea on the One and > Intellect, []p & p), and the two matters: intelligible matter ([]p & <>t) > and sensible matter ([]p & <>t & p). > > One = p > Intellect = []p (splits in two: G and G*) > Soul = []p & p (does not split: S4Grz) > > Intelligible matter = []p & <>t (splits in two Z and Z*) > Sensible matter = []p & <>t & p.(splits in two: X and X*). > > To get the propositional physics, you have to restrict the p on the > sigma_1 truth (the computable, the UD-accessible states). > > For the neoplatonist; matter is almost where God loses control, and can't > intervene, it is close to the FPI idea, as you know that even God cannot > predict to you, when in Helsinki, where you will feel to be after the > split. For the platonist, matter is really where even the form can't handle > the indetermination. It is of the type ~[]#, or <>#. It is also the place > giving rooms for the contingencies, and what we can hope and eventually > build or recover. > > Bruno > > OK, so given a certain interpretation, some scholars added two hypostases to the original three. Then, it appears that you make a third interpretation by splitting the intellect, and the two matters. What justifies these splits? And can you make this justification in plain language in a way that doesn't appear to be a "just so" interpretation that makes it easier for AUDA to go through? Terren -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
