Realism must break down in some fashion, even if if effects seem to have no cause. Perhaps determinism arrives in ways we cannot yet measure, but can only speculate about? Perhaps, some outer-space Synchrotron, may reveal causes that we haven't as yet seen for effects. Surely, this is the way science appears to be leading. Can I guarantee this? Naw! I contend, even in an infinite universe, we should be able to sense and compute, parts there, of. At least, the really, cool, lifeforms, must ;-)
-----Original Message----- From: John Clark <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2015 1:06 pm Subject: Re: A riddle for John Clark On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]> wrote: > Don't you wonder that this incomputability, is created by the inadequacy of the instruments and systems we employ? No. We know for a fact from experiment (and not just from theory) that AT LEAST one of the following must be true, some think 2 are, a few think all 3 are but most believe in realism: 1) Things are not realistic (stuff only exists when you look at it). 2) Things are not deterministic (some events have no cause). 3) Things are not local (the effect X has on Y is instantaneous and the effect is not weakened by distance, and the future can change the past). None of these 3 things are computable. > Another question is, does space-time compute at the Planck width Nobody knows. We don't even know for certain that the Planck length actually means anything physical. We do know that if space-time is continuous then it can't be computable John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
