On 02 Jul 2015, at 02:18, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Actually, my contention was that inadequate machinery might be
producing heisenbergs uncertainity principle?
Like if the measurement perturb the system? That was Bohr explanation
before EPR. He understood, but is quite rhetorical on this to hide he
was forced to change his mind. he admits that the perturbation and the
collapse cannot be entirely mechanical/physical.
Now that I re-read the comments I should be expanding the question
to Lewis's modal realism, known now as Everetts MWI.
Lewis' modal realism is not the same as Everett's MWI a priori. But
can become the same, assuming supplementary hypotheses. Modal realism
is larger, a priori than Everett.
With computationalism. We have many dreams, but the question is open
if that entails 0, 1 or an infinity of physical reality (after some
(re)definition of what that could mean when we assume comp). The most
plausible one is zero. A physical reality is a phenomenological first
person sharable construct by numbers in computable and non computable
relation with each others.
Bruno
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Subject: Re: A riddle for John Clark
On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 04:51:15PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
> On 30 Jun
2015, at 05:25, John Clark wrote:
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> >On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 spudboy100 via
Everything List
> ><everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
Perhaps determinism arrives in ways we cannot yet measure, but
> >can only
speculate about?
> >
> >As I said, we know from experiment that at least one
of the 3
> >MUST be wrong, realism determinism or locality. To my mind the
>
>loss of determinism would be FAR less disturbing than the loss of
> >either of
the other two, but of course the universe may have other
> >ideas.
>
>
>
What do you mean by "realism"?
>
I assume he is referring to the Bell
theorem. Realism, in this
context, means something like particles having a well
defined state at
all times, ie having hidden variables,
essentially.
Cheers
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