I don't disagree with your dissertation on chaos versus randomness. So your
point is chaos can be described as energy rich, and entropy as energy,
very-poor. Your cigarette smoke example, is caused by the dissipated smoke
colliding with random (hee hee) air currents.
A volcano lava burst is energetic by chaotic, but a nebula in space encounters
nothing. Even the cigarette smoke as air current hits it, do produce more
information, as a described, object. My assertion, is that the universe, this
one, was initiated by a great program, which produced the physical
interactions, or laws of the early universe. Thus, its conceivable that what
starts and expands in chaos, ends in dissipation or energy.Yet, the program
remains the same, somewhere. Even the randomness of a program's random number
generator was designed.
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From: John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sun, Jun 28, 2015 1:44 pm
Subject: Re: A riddle for John Clark
On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 spudboy100 via Everything List
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How does order arise out of chaos (which is another word for random)?
Chaos is deterministic not random. A better question might be how does
complexity arise out of simplicity? If entropy must always increase with time
then at the start of time, the Big Bang, there must have been little entropy
compared with now. In the early stages the more entropy there is the more
complex things are, that is to say more information would be needed to describe
it, but when entropy gets high enough it actually takes less information
to describe, although the present universe is nowhere near that point yet.
Maximum information is about midway between maximum and minimum entropy. For
example, the smoke from a cigarette in a room with no air currents starts out
as a simple smooth laminar flow easy to describe, but then turbulence kicks in
and very complex patterns form that would take a lot of information to
duplicate, but after that it diffuses into a uniform featureless fog that would
take much less information to specify.
John K Clark
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