On 30 Jun 2015, at 21:05, Terren Suydam wrote:
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:43 PM, John Clark <[email protected]>
wrote:
Terren Suydam <[email protected]>
> What is it like to be a person going through a duplication
experience?
I know from experience that you expect one and only one answer
to that question but such a answer does not exist.
> I'd be interested to hear your take on exactly that...
what would it be like?
I walk into the duplicating chamber and then see Moscow AND I walk
into the duplicating chamber and then see Washington. I know that
you and most members of this list don't like that answer because
they find it odd, well tough, odd things happen in duplicating
chambers. Reality can't be paradoxical but is under no obligation
not to be odd.
> If you do take up the challenge, please stay with the first-
person perspective.
I can't, you just walked into a duplicating chamber and you
has been duplicated; so formerly there was one first-person
perspective but now there are two first-person perspectives
because that's what "duplicated" means. So there is no such thing as
*THE* first person perspective, all I can give you is *A* first
person perspective. And I already know how you will respond to
what I just said, it's the same thing that Bruno has parroted over
and over again "that's only from the 3p" as if that sequence of
ASCII characters actually meant something.
> a duplication experiment is indistinguishable from a many-
worlds splitting.
No it is not and I have explained several times exactly why it
is not and you have not disputed what I said but instead have simply
repeated that they are indistinguishable despite the FACT that
anyone can easily distinguish 2 Terren Suydams in one case but
only one in the other.
> I don't understand why you won't address these. It's the
heart of the matter.
The heart of the matter is I can't give an answer to a gibberish
question.
John K Clark
OK, I'm tapping out of this thread. I can't say that you've said
anything that would lead me to believe you have a sincere,
intellectually honest desire to address the arguments, and I don't
think you've refuted anything about step 3.
Thans to you, John has, at least, clearly agree that in such
experience, two first person perspective appears.
Why John Clark fails to understand that he still has to listen to each
of them remains a mystery. This follows easily from the 3p-definition
of the 1p discourse/view.
The much easier read is that you've got some kind of an axe to grind
and enjoy being a contrarian. I've enjoyed a lot of what you've
written over the years, and you do keep people honest, but your
fetish for certainty makes for dull, circular arguments that go
nowhere. Just my 2 cents, take or leave.
John Clark has already said once "I was wrong", so some hope remains
for him. It is all the good I wish to him. Thanks for the help.
Bruno
Terren
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