On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > All I am saying is that ramming things down people's throats isn't working > out so well. > Civilized people wanted the Thirty Meter Telescope built, barbarians did not. Yes the barbarians won but at least we tried, should we have surrendered to the army of darkness and ignorance without even a fight? > > It would be nice to put a telescope in a certain mountain, but it's not > our mountain, so tough shit. What in hell makes it their mountain? What connection do they have have with it? How many have even been to the top? Astronomers had plans for that mountain that could have enriched the entire human race, the only plans the native Hawaiians have for it is to "bow down to it". > > > I am suggesting that something like the "prime directive" is probably a > good idea. > The "prime directive" is *BULLSHIT* because its the soft racism of reduced expectations; it says don't teach the funny little brown people modern ideas, don't treat them as human beings, treat them as an endangered species like a whooping crane because it's much more colorful watching them dance the Hula and bow down to a mountain than to expect them to understand cosmology. > > > I used to think like you, but then > [...] > Political correctness took over. > I realized that I was just addicted to outrage to make me feel good. We get a shot of dopamine when we feel superior to others, I'm not the only one, I think a shot of dopamine shot through your system when you read my post. > > > but it doesn't really solve anything. > What would , do you have a better idea ? The only practical advice I've heard from you is "tough shit". The astronomers tried to play nice, in a attempt to appease the barbarian 4 of the 13 world class telescopes on the mountain that had been there for years were removed, but the appeasement didn't work they still invaded Poland, sorry I mean they still destroyed the magnificent Thirty Meter Telescope. And their apatite for destruction *still* wasn't satiated, now they want the remaining 9 telescopes destroyed too. Why do you defend these people? > >> >> >> There is indeed a living vibrant culture atop Mauna Kea, the culture of >> astronomy, and the astronomers DO NOT want to be left alone, they want to >> do things, and I think that is a culture we should respect. >> > > > > Why would you feel the need to write this? > I wrote it because a group of fools has inflicted grievous harm to the culture of astronomy and to civilization as a whole, and this is the one place where I thought everyone would be as outraged over that as I was. I was wrong. > > > Is there anyone on this list who doesn't like astronomers and their work? > Apparently there is. I think somebody on this list once said it was "tough shit" if astronomers can't do their work; I can't recall his name but it's right on the tip of my tongue. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
