> > > > >> Many "barbarian" tribes look at our way of life and are not so impressed. >> > > Baloney. The third world is not uninterested in money, and the reason the > third dislikes the first is that one has it and the other wants it. >
Well, Switzerland and Sweden don't seem to have any problems with the first world, but I assume you mean the poor countries in Africa, South America and Southern Asia. Of course it's likely that many populations in those areas do not feel particularly happy when they compare their lives to ours. Putting this immense cultural diversity all in the same bag is a bit silly no? It range from extremely dictatorial communist countries, to failed nations, to developing nations, to bronze age tribes. They can be quite different, believe it or not. My remark was anthropological, not geopolitical. All things being equal, people tend to like money. But they don't all value it equally, no matter the environment. Otherwise you would have trouble finding good scientists to make use of the telescopes, because all the good ones would go and work in finance, where then could make 5 to 1000 times more money. The same can be applied to things that we were conditioned to tolerate, but seem unbearable to people from other cultures, for example office jobs. You have the example of the Pirãha tribe, which is to this day a tribe of hunter-gatherers in the Amazon. Daniel Everett was the first researcher to live with them and learn their language. He discovered that they have absolutely no interest in anything our civilization has to offer. Such tribes are frequently displaced in the name of "progress". You can also watch the BBC documentary "meet the natives", to see what a bronze age tribe thinks about England. Spoiler: they are really good at darts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV9GRNKqOKw > The only ones complaining about too much materialism in the world are rich > people who have access to any sort of material they want. > > > > > For example, they have a hard time understanding why you would let people > live in the streets > > I'd far far FAR prefer to be living on the street of New York City than > be a middle class citizen of Malawi. > I don't know, being homeless in NYC sounds pretty awful. > > >>> >> >>> Political correctness took over. >>> >> >> In my view, political correctness is language policing. >> > > It's much more than that. If the Tea Party suddenly claimed ownership of > one of only 3 places on earth where a enormously important new scientific > instrument could be built and the Tea Party refused to let "their" land be > used for that purpose and even insisted that the instruments already there > be removed so they can build a conservative family values resource center > on the spot you'd be screaming bloody murder. > I can give you an example where I am fully on the side of white men with blue eyes protecting their land: the Bundy standoff. > > Yes the 2 situations are different, the difference is that Tea Party > members are lily white so political correctness gives > you permission to call them imbeciles if they are behaving as imbeciles; > but the Hawaiians are funny little brown people so the soft racism of > reduced expectations kicks in: their ideas are colorful and cute but their > skin is brown so you can't expect their cosmology to have any logical > consistency. Their skin is brown so you must be sensitive and respect their > imbecility. > My skin is brown. > > I say the Hawaiians are not cute exotic animals and the Hawaiians are not > children either, the Hawaiians are human beings just like me and so should > be treated as human beings just like me. > > > >>> What would >>> , do you have a better idea >>> ? >>> >> >> My idea is the scientific idea: try to understand before acting >> > > That's not the problem, everybody understands mother earth father sky, > the problem is nobody with half a brain is impressed by it and nobody who > has not been infected with political correctness even pretends to respect > it. > > >> > >> and remain humble. >> > > Religious Hawaiians should have no difficulty following your advice, they > have a lot to be humble about. > > > >> > >> Classifying them as barbarians and operating from that mindset is >> > > I think "barbaric" is a fine word to describe people who killed the > Thirty Meter Telescope because they thought it would somehow prevent them > from "bowing down to the mountain". The Hawaiian cosmology with their > mother earth father sky crap may be deeper than the bleating of a goat but > not much deeper. > > >> > >> What do you want to do? >> > > I'd like to see the Thirty Meter Telescope get built, but that's not > going to happen. > > > >> > >> Activate the police state against the native Hawaiians? >> > > I think impeaching the members of the Hawaiian Supreme who voted to kill > the telescope would be a better place to start. And no matter what always > make sure that religious native Hawaiians get all the respect they deserve. > > John K Clark > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
