On 20 Apr 2016, at 14:53, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Do you have any essays floating about, that you have written
concerning machine theology (Lobian machines I am guessing)?
Have you seen my Plotinus paper? Here is a PDF:
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/publications/CiE2007/SIENA.pdf
(It has been published in the proceeding of the CIE meeting of 2007)
There is also my paper "La machine Mystique" (published in french in
"Logique et Analyse"). I can give you reference, but they are only
available if you are member of research.gate or academia.edu. I can
send you a copy if you ask, but the Plotinus paper is more
informative. Same for my last papers, but they are more technical. I
suggest you begin with the Plotinus paper, and I send more if
interested.
Best,
Bruno
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From: Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Apr 20, 2016 3:21 am
Subject: Bektashi Alevi
Hi Samya,
I already told you that Soufism is, in Islam, and from the
theological point of view, the closer to the machine's theology,
which is not astonishing given that they are closer to Neoplatonism
too (and I have explained that the mathematical theology of the
universal machine is close to Neoplatonism, and also to the
Neopythagoreanism of the earlier centuries).
I have discovered the Alevi Bektashi sects since, and they confirmed
my feeling, not only with respect to the theological science, but
also with respect to practice and their openness to other religion
(which *is* a sign of genuine faith in the machine's faith).
Do you know them?
I realise also that Ataturk made a big mistake. Wanting to eliminate
the weight of religion in Turkey, he persecuted them and installed
the Sunni instead, which are rarely open to other religion and can
often use the "argument" of force (as we can see today in some
countries, alas).
http://www.islamicpluralism.org/2340/the-bektashi-alevi-continuum-from-the-balkans-to
On the french wikipedia, they assert also that the veil is not
obligatory, and that the bektashi woman can marry without any
problem a man with another religion. The woman bektashi prays
together with the man, which is nice, but also religiously serious
if I can say. Woman are treated like man. They are egalitarian, and
have often fight against the use of authority in religion and
politics. Nor do they pray in the direction of the Mecca.
The Alevi (alone) people have originally claim that their religion
is anterior to Islam, despite close to Shi'ism after the influence
of Muhammad and Ali (Muhammad's nephew and sun in law). There are
obvious link with Zoroastrism (the "mother" of the abrahamic
religion).
I find them very interesting. The main point closer to machine's
theology, is that they have a non literal, mystic interpretation of
the Quran, which is directly reflected in their spiritual
flexibility and openness to *apparently different* faith. They
understand that sacred texts are parabola to help the attempt to the
personal experience of the divine, which is very often discouraged
if not forbidden once a religion is institutionalized.
Best,
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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