On 23 Apr 2017, at 04:08, John Clark wrote:

On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:10 PM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote:

​> ​How can you justify logic from physics if logic is primary to prove anything?

​Physics does not need logic or mathematics or anything else to prove it's existence to us because we all have the ability to detect physics by direct experience​,​​

Physics? I guess you mean "the physical world".

But that was already refute by the antics, in all enough great civilizations. Children comes to this point very often by themselves.

We can detect physical worlds, but we can't detect *primary* physical worlds, nor can be detect if we dream or awake, nor if the dreams is due to a brain in vat, or a brain emulated by Robinson Arithmetic.



and that far outranks proof.​

It proofs, but only to you, and only that you detect something. To test a metaphysical assumption, you need to derive indirect consequences.

Bruno

Humans originally​ ​invented mathematics to better understand and manipulate the physical world​, and logic is the stuff that produces no inconsistencies with our observation of that physical world. ​

 ​John ​K Clark




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