On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> OK b >> ut >> tell me Bruno, how many correct answers to the question "which city will >> BM feel >> >> feel to be >> personally >> i >> n after the duplication?" Do you think there is only one correct answer >> or are there two? I say two and I can subpoena W-BM and M-BM as witnesses >> to bolster my case. >> If you say >> only >> one then which city did it turn out to be, Moscow >> or Washington? >> > > > > The whole point is that for both copies, they can be only one answern > given that the question is on the future 1p views, > OK then tell me, what is that one and only one answer? Is it Moscow or Washington? And if there is only one then why do you call it " the future 1p views ", why is it plural? > > You are again describing the 3-1 view, and dismissing both 1-view of the > copies. > I'm not describing "the 1-p" or "the 3p" or or "the 3-1 view" or "the future 1p views ", I'm not interested in any of your baby talk terms, I'm just asking how many correct answers to the question "what cities will the Helsinki man see?" are there. I say there are 2, you say there is only one, you say it is M OR W but not both, so I want to know which answer turned out to be wrong, was Washington wrong or was Moscow wrong? >> >> W-BM says I am Bruno Marchal and I see Washington. M-BM says I am >> Bruno Marchal and I see >> Moscow. >> > > > > More precisely: W-BM says I am Bruno Marchal and I see only Washington and > I could not have predicted this. > Maybe so, but if Helsinki Bruno Marchal could not have predicted that Washington Bruno Marchal was Bruno Marchal and that Washington Bruno Marchal would see Washington then Helsinki Bruno Marchal was mighty damn bad at prediction! I'll tell you one thing, Helsinki John Clark could have predicted it. > > > Indeed if I would have predicted this my fellow in Moscow would refute it. > Maybe so, if Moscow Bruno Marchal was as clueless as Helsinki Bruno Marchal . But I'll tell you one thing, Moscow John Clark would not refute it. >> >> And if it was only one which one did it turn out to be, was it Washington >> or Moscow? > > > > > Obviously it was W for the W-BM, and M for the M-BM, > And both the W-BM and the M-BM are the H-BM, therefore the H-BM will see W and M. And don't start throwing peas at me, you're the one who said " it was W for the W-BM, and M for the M-BM " not me. > > > but the point is that when BM was unique in Helsinki, he could not know if > he would feel to become the W-BM, or the M-BM in advance. > In advance? H-BM does not know even after the experiment is over which city he ended up seeing and neither does anybody else, and that's why it is not a experiment at all and nothing can be learned from it. >> > The re > - > merged Bruno Marchal vividly remembers writing in his diary > > It is 17:23:33 Coordinated > > Universal Time on 4-28-2017 and I am > l > ooking at the White House " . And the remerged Bruno Marchalalso vividly remembers writing in his diary " It is 17:23:33 > > Coordinated Universal Time on 4-28-2017 and I am looking at the > > Kremlin “. And I have access to both diaries so I know Bruno's > > memory is not faulty. > > > Yes, and he remembers vividly getting locally, at that moment, one bit of > information, and living an asymmetrical situation. I don't know what "getting locally" means, I don't see what is asymmetrical, and I don't know which one is "he". John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
