On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> >> >>> In the 3p description, obviously, both are you >>> >>> >> >> >> In any description as far as I can tell. > > > > Obviously not. From the 1p view of each copies, as you have already > agreed, they have differentiated. > I don't know what you're talking about, I haven't even figured out what "the 1p view" is supposed to be much less agreed that such a thing exists. Which of the 2 has *THE* 1p view? You do. Which one is "you"? The one with *THE *1p view. And round and round we go. >> >> >> Then "the 1p description >> " cannot distinguish between the two. >> > > ? > > > Perhaps. It is ambiguous. > If "the 1p view" is ambiguous (and that's the kindest thing you can say about it) then it has no place in something that claims to be a proof. > >> >> Therefore it is not a description at all. > > > > > It is an experience. > If the arrangement of atoms in 2 brains is identical then the mind produced by those 2 brains is identical, then the experiences the minds have is identical, then it makes no sense to say there are 2 experiences; there is only one. > >> >> All they confirm is that they are both you. > > > > > ?They confirm indeed they are both the H-guy, but they confirmed also that > now, they have differentiated, > If they have differentiated that means the way the atoms are arranged in the 2 brains are no longer identical, therefore what those 2 brains are doing (mind) is also no longer identical, so it would be correct to say there are now two separate conscious beings. > > > The qualia, conscious part of the experience, is true, but unexpressible. > Then why why why do you write post after post expressing your opinion on the nature of consciousness?? Philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein had good advice when he said " *What we cannot speak about we must pass over in silence* " . > > > G does not prove it, making it impossible to believe (justify rationally) > its assumption of Digital Mechanism. > You're talking about consciousness and belief is a subjective emotional state with little or no relationship with proof, just look at any religious believer. Or look at Kurt Godel perhaps the greatest logician of all time, he believed in all sorts of absurd things; people presented evidence to him that nobody was trying to poison him but he nevertheless continued to believe they were and that incorrect belief ended up killing him. Godel starved himself to death. >> >> But if both are identical what on earth can it mean to have access to >> one but not the other? If there are 2 copies of Newton's Principia >> and I have access to one but not the other how have I been deprived? >> What information is unavailable to me? >> > > > > Just open the door. > When the doors are opened one sees Moscow and the other sees Washington and those are not identical views, so the way the atoms are arranged in the 2 brains are no longer identical. But we were talking about what would happen when they are identical. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
