On 21 Jul 2017, at 20:48, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 2:42 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>If there are 2 of YOU there is no THE first person
experience.
> Of course there is. Imagine yourself at the place of the W-
guy.
There is no reason to just imagine YOURself as the W-guy, the M-
guy will also be YOU.
Right.
And it is utterly ridiculous to claim something profound over the
fact that back in Helsinki nobody can tell which of the two will end
up in which city because back then THERE WERE NOT 2 PROPLE TO
TELL, there was only one.
But he knows he will be duplicated, and that in all his extensions, he
will feel to be only one.
> And both will understand that "THE", when used in Helsinki
was referring to W or to M, and never both,
Then please name THE city it turned out to be!!!!!
You seem to believe that this is impossible.
Well, you are right. That is the person person indeterminacy.
It is plain obvious that f I could answer this, there would be NO
first person indeterminacy.
You made my point.
> making that "THE" undetermined, as we wanted to show.
It is not undetermined,
Then tell me what the guy in Helsinki can expect as future experience.
None? Then computationalism is false. "W & M"? That is directly
refuted by both copies. W, or M? that is refuted by one copy. "W V M"?
yes, that is confirmed by the two copies.
there is nothing there to be determined, there is no there there. It
is gibberish, there is no answer because there was no question.
Surely, the computationalist in Helsinki do expect living something,
given that he believe that no matter what he will survive, and not in
the two cities (as we ask about the future first person experience).
So, if this is gibberish, it means that the notion of First Person is
gibberish, and thus you confirm that you eliminate the first person
account. Well, we already knew that, and again, that confirms my point.
It takes more than a string of ASCII characters with the last
one a question mark to make a question. And no deep
philosophical conclusions can be drawn from random
characters.
>The consensus is that "the" was meant for one specific city,
Then quit stalling and name that one specific city. If you
can't do that even after the conclusion of the experiment then
you're wasting our time and are talking nonsense.
After the conclusion, the H-person has been duplicated, and both
confirm that the prediction "W v M" was the best prediction available.
You might try a bit harder John.
Bruno
John K Clark
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